Do you believe Russia hacked the US election?

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Do you believe Russia hacked the US election?

  1. Yes, without the shadow of a doubt

  2. If the FBI and CIA and other agencies say it, we should take their word for it

  3. There's a slight chance it could be true, but no actual evidence has been made public yet

  4. It's all bullshit, the FBI and CIA are blatantly lying as ordered by the democrat government

  5. I don't know what to believe anymore

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  1. Costello
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    What do you think is really going on? Let's get a little political here.

    I assume you've all heard of the recent Vermont power grid "hacking" story. A few days ago a Vermont utility company found a russian virus on some guy's computer and (part of) the press extrapolated the fact, turning it into a so-called proof of a Russian conspiracy to hack the US power grid... That title was a fucking clickbait, and I just knew it. But not just your average buzzshit clickbait, a serious fucking one this time. When you read the article it became clear: pure bullshit. No evidence whatsoever, all that happened is that they found a regular virus on a random guy's computer, which happens a million times a day everywhere in the world. A few hours later they retracted, a lot of other sites and agencies stated that there was no such thing as a power grid hack attempt. Those media outlets jumped to conclusions to serve their own agenda, it seems.

    Now regarding the "hacking" of the US election. Several US government agencies are claiming it's real. Are we being lied to? Are the FBI and homeland security and others all following orders of a higher instance or do they have actual evidence?
    So far, they haven't shared much with the general public. Last week they released a document, which I read, but if you read it too you will find that it's absolutely empty of evidence. All it states is "we found some IP addresses in the logs" and "we found a bit of code that was used before". That amounts to nothing at all.

    So why do they keep going on about this?
    Do you think these agencies have insights they cant share with the public? could they have informants within the russian goverment? that's one of the few things I can think of that they would never be able to reveal. Or maybe it is just more political bullshit... but what's the point? Trump will take office soon and all this Russia crap isn't working. Apparently Trump has something to say on the subject that he will reveal on tuesday or wednesday. I wonder what that may be.

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  2. natanelho

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    They said they respect our privacy, remember that? I dont believe everything they say since then
     
  3. EmanueleBGN

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    Yes! It's true!
    Like Saddam's and Assad's chimical weapons. Like 9/11 was not an inside job. Like Pearl Harbor attack was not announced by Japanese governament.

    US élite lies.
     
  4. Daggot

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    I think that it's obvious that someone out there is trying to heighten the tension between the US and Russia before Trump takes office. Why you may ask? There's a plethora of possible answers and honestly I don't know. It sure is fun to see all of the media spin fall through though.
     
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    I'm not a fan of politics, but regardless of who would win, the other side of the political spectrum would have accused in kind. If a Democratic candidate won, the other side would accuse the same, politics are always so divided and no one can agree on anything, *sigh* Personally it doesn't matter all that much now, it's a damned if you damned if you don't, neither side is truly victorious when it comes to politics.
     
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  6. Deboog

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    Russia probably hacked 2014. And 2012. And 2010. And 2008. And 2006.

    America hacks them too. If you honestly believe every modern country isn't spying on every other modern country, you are an idiot. A couple years ago the US was caught wiretapping Germany: our ally. Now, whether it swung the election is another thing, and there is no way it did. Elections are too hard to corrupt.
     
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    No, it was rigged by US government officials pressured by Russian and North Korean threats.
     
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    I just see it as a ploy to blame everyone else because the election didn't go their way, it was a subterfuge to throw a tantrum and point fingers, etc IMHO.
     
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    Hillary rigged it against Bernie, and the U.S. Government rigged it against HER for our diplomatic safety against Russia and North Korea. That's it.
     
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    Shit's about to hit the fan
     
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    So... they are ready to admit that their security system is BS rather than the election was fair (to at least some extent)? Interesting.
     
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    If Hillary had won then they would say everything is legit. They just dont like the Trump and want to get rid of him with stuff like this. The FBI and CIA are on her site and after all that stuff that happend nobody should trust anything that they say. Especially after they protected Hillary when she got their emails with secret information leaked and got never in legal trouble for that.
     
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    The point is, IMHO, they're trying to make a mess for Trump to clean up when he gets in office while they sit back laughing, you know, because Schadenfreude. They have about three weeks to make as big of a mess as they can, there's too much corruption in any government, really.
     
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    I think that an inside source hacked the dnc, but that the Russians hacked Podesta's emails.

    Not that they think Trump will change foreign policy in their favor, but to deligitimize US democracy.
     
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    Everyone hacks everyone. The USA itself has reportedly tried to influence 81 elections in recent years. So even if Russia "hacked" the DNC to reveal truth, what of it?

    Personally, I think it was the DNC insider, not a hacker, as stated by Wikileaks. The USA government and media are trying to heighten tensions with Russia, and it's unnerving. Either they're trying to muddy things up for Trump when he gets into office, or they're trying to start some sort of conflict with Russia. Neither of which can possibly be good. It's messed up.
     
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  17. Logan Pockrus

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    No, probably not. And I'm still unclear on what the Russians "hacked", all I keep hearing is that they hacked the "election", but that's impossible, as the election isn't a machine...so what did they "hack" (legitimate question, not sarcasm)?
     
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    I find it incredibly entertaining to read Democrats posting about the so-called "rigged" election or the election hacks. It's funny, because they spent the better half of last year telling Trump that the election can't be rigged and that the election system is impervious to manipulation, which we all know is patently untrue, but that's besides the point.

    As for the question posed, no, I don't think the Russians hacked the vote, and contrary to what you might read online, there is no evidence to support that they have. In fact, intelligence agencies are in agreement that no vote stuffing occurred. What did happen was a series of leaks that put the DNC and their candidate in a negative light, which is hardly hacking the election, it's merely delivering on Democrat's promise of a transparent establishment, except by an uninvited third-party. American intelligence agencies base their suspicions on what they call "past behaviour", not actual logs confirming cyber espionage - if they had those, it would be an international incident and a war would be declared at this point. There is no hard evidence that Russia was in any way involved in the leaks, and the source of the leaks, Wikileaks, repeatedly denied their involvement - as a non-partisan rogue news agency they have no business in steering elections either way, they merely expose secret documents that they believe the public should see.

    What actually happened this election is a hard 180 degree turn. With groups like BLM around causing civil unrest by, basically, enacting acts of terror on American soil that remain unaddressed and a politically correct gestapo doing whatever it can to stifle political dissent by branding people as racists, sexists, misogynists and every other -ist in the book, or the now more popular umbrella term "alt-right" the establishment has alienated its core voting base. People are sick of being called names for merely associating with the right-wing, and I even know a couple of cases of Democrats who voted Trump specifically because the previous government has made their everyday life markedly worse. People want actual change, not just progressive ideas on a paper plate because you can't eat those. I'll admit that Clinton won the popular vote, however one look at the map will tell you exactly why the institution or the electoral college exists and why their decision was to go with Trump. The little slice of America between the two coasts can't be ruled by the handful of densely populated states on each coast - those states are nothing alike. The majority of states voted Trump, and it is only fair that he became president.

    If you think that the Wikileaks unfairly leaked information that either changed people's mind on faint pretenses or simply convinced them not to vote, do note that the biased media had their own campaign against the other candidate. This election was very much the establishment versus the anti-establishment, and the latter won.
    The premise is that by hacking DNC servers and releasing "misinformation" through Wikileaks they've skewed public opinion against Hillary, costing her the election. Of course that premise is stupid, but that's the idea.
     
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    Some places have you vote through a machine. A lot of others use a machine to count the votes after you submit your ballot. It's not very common to have people actually count the votes anymore.
     
  20. Stingart

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    I don't come to GBAtemp to discuss politics and I wish this wasn't on the front page pretending to be 'news'.

    Every now and then GBAtemp has some garbage 'news' posts and this is one of them.

    Can we keep the politics nonsense away from the front page? Thank you.
     
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