can all modchip play dlc and isos from HDD?

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    i am going to buy a modded xbox360 slim.. no idea what modchip is in there.. the seller can't tell lol... i just want to be able to load the isos from HDD and play DLCs... my question is whether all modchips can do that?


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    I am going to go out on a limb here and say no on the DLC thing, I think you can install DLC for the XBox if you have some way of running unsigned code like a jtag hack but only on old dashboards and only certain models... Newer 360's you can still run a "chip" to play copied games from drive emulation I believe but I don't think installing DLC is possible, or running emulators and homebrew?

    Please take everything I said with a truck sized grain of salt as it is all going off of what little I have read about 360 hacking, I do not own a 360 so I have almost no interest in retaining the information in my brain.... So it may be very faulty.
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    ok thx anyway. will wait for more replies then
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    Slims can be hacked by the RGH method and so you can do hard drive related things, however some slims might just be DVD hacked and in some cases that takes buying in an extra piece of hardware which some might mistake for a chip in earnest. If it is the latter there is only a little DLC you can use (although that does include stuff like borderlands double pack and fallout 3 DLC) and not a lot you can do with the hard drive save for NXE install. Given there is such a contrast if you ask the seller what they do to load games and it involves USB, FTP and custom software then it is RGH and if involves burning discs with a special burner then it is disc based and if they can not elaborate upon it then walk away.

    DLC from HDD- you can not really use an external hard drive for DLC but you can use the internal one. Bonus if it is a RGH hacked 360 is you can install whatever hard drive will fit. Slims are not that bad to add hard drives to either.
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    ok thx will try to ask.. if it can load isos from USB, then it's RGH right?

    edit: tbh will use the xbox mainly for kinect and dance central (want to add the gangnam style dlc)
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    Well there is the ODDE addon that mimics a DVD drive (with all inherent limitations and perks) but loads things from a USB. If the person does not know they have that though then yeah (not to mention you could probably turn around and immediately sell the setup on/do a straight swap for an equivalent RGH)

    As for kinect and dance central- I see both things floating around in second hand bins in very short order so it is likely to be easy enough to pick such things up.
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    RGH allows for DLC/XBLA and extracted ISO's to be played from the internal HDD.
    ODDE only allows for ISO's to be played.

    ODDE's can't do the stuff RGH consoles can so if you only are interested in Kinect and Dance central and nothing more then it might be a better idea to get an ODDE.
    It be pretty dumb not to use a RGH for the things they can do.

    Besides I think an ODDE would be cheaper then a RGH (ODDE's are also way simpler in updating)
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    so ODDE does not allow DLC? only RGH can right? I am getting the 4gb slim version.. is 4gb enough for dlcs? I am not only interested in dance central and its dlcs lol but also into the other games : Darksiders, GOW, Halo, etc..

    edit: was reading about ODDE... hmm i can add an ODDE later on an RGH xbox right? they can operate in parallel?
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    They can operate together and ODDE will only let you play legitimate DLC (Stuff you've bought properly).
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    That would be quite expensive and pretty much defeats the purpose of a RGH.

    If you don't care about XBLive then get a RGH.
    If you do care then get an ODDE.

    Or go Dual NAND (which is the most expensive)
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    dual nand = ODDE + RGH?

    What i care the most is DLC and the xboxlive/arcade games and homebrew (online is a bonus if it's possible but not essential)

    edit: and do i always need to burn on a dual layer dvd or can i burn on regular single layer dvds for ODDE and RGH method?
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    you dont burn anything with odde ,its an optical drive EMULATOR ,that would defeatt the purpose you put the game images on an external hdd connected through the odde
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    lol ok yup u r right. what about RGH? and thx guys taking the time replying to my questions

    edit: internal hdd is faster than usb.. but does that affect gameplay? i mean does it cause lag? or it just loads games slower?
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    with rgh you can put game images on the 360 internal hdd,(not sure if it can read them from ext hdd also)i imagine if you have a dual nand ,,1 for rgh ,and 1 for odde and going on live ,then you will have to have the game on both hdd if you want to play it on both nands ,also be sure to run game dumps through abgx before using with odde and live ,you still need to remove checks even though your not burning but playing from hdd with odde
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    It seems we have all done a fine job of confusing matters.

    For years the only hack was a DVD mod which involved modifying the firmware on the DVD (initially all in software but later hardware tricks/probes and eventually actual additional hardware was needed as MS blocked hacks and introduced new DVD models) and burning everything on dual layer discs. This method is still around after a fashion and very popular as it works well although for many modern games you will need a special burner. After being speculated upon for years, and seeing lots of things that would count as proof of concept, full DVD drive emulators happened aka ODDE (optical disc drive emulators) which act like a DVD drive as far as the 360 is concerned but rather than using dual layer discs you instead can load from a USB drive. Despite occasional banwaves (which have not happened for several years at time of posting) these can still go on xbox live.

    After the DVD hack had been around for ages along came JTAG (there was a precursor to it but let us not go there and it did not really do much of anything other than a few pieces of homebrew)- this opened up the 360 to homebrew, USB loading, onboard hard drive loading, XBLA, DLC and much more for anybody that wanted in. This hack would eventually see you banned from live after about 5 minutes if you could even get on at all and MS blocked the JTAG hack as well if you updated past a certain kernel. A few years later the reset glitch hack aka RGH came into being which had much the same result as JTAG in terms of things you can do. JTAG was blocked long before slims came about anyway.
    Owing to the way RGH works you can do the hack and use the same console on xbox live after a fashion. As part of JTAG and RGH you have a custom NAND memory image (all 360 consoles have various amounts of memory inside them to hold the kernel and other such things) which holds the payload of the hack a few modifications. As JTAG and RGH work in slightly different ways on RGH you can still use a current unhacked kernel if you have the relevant data from an initial hack, however you will need another NAND chip to hold it and some companies then made it so you could solder another chip onto the console and switch between hacked and unhacked (or hacked and another hacked if you want I guess) which allows the unhacked side of things to work on xbox live (this does mean no DLC, games on demand or XBLA you have not paid for or installed as PIRS DLC mind you). Personally I hold that dual nand is more trouble than it is worth (and that is not just my dislike of online games) as you have to keep up with two kernels (one hacked, one current "clean") and make sure you do not have things on your "live" profile that can only be done on a hacked machine (MS are somewhat lenient here but nobody will join you with torches and pitchforks should you get banned because of it).

    On top of that there are a few little things you can do (even on a stock console) like PIRS DLC which is DLC that some game of the year/expansion pack type games have onboard. Microsoft allowed for certain content to be installed (PIRS files being the name of them) and that means if you can get it on the drive (never hard but even easier now MS allow USB drives to hold saves, DLC and XBLA after a fashion- see USB XTAF). The list of DLC you can use in this manner is not long and rarely gets anything new added to it but is worth a look through (borderlands double pack, fallout 3 DLC and much more). This is perfectly safe to do seen as you are more or less doing what MS allow you to do.
    Over the years there have been a few other little hacks (profile sharing, LIVE2CON and modern warfare 2 glitch being the big three) and oddities (an earlier version of Shadow Complex had a glitch that made it so the "end of demo" wall could be bypassed) but nothing is active right now, there are a few things like profile modding (people liked to add achievements they had not got) but that gains you nothing other than a ban.
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    how do i actually put it on the internal HDD? can i transfer from sdcard or external HDD to the internal HDD?
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    You can transfer from USB or disc if you want (in the case of discs you can copy files but you can install do the "install the hard drive" aka NXE install option and then run NXE2GOD on your 360 to make it so it does not need the disc any more) but most people use FTP- xexmenu and freestyle dash which is what most people use run FTP servers as part of their code (and I think dashlaunch has some FTP support although you are still encouraged to use one of the previous two).

    If you are not familiar with FTP it is a network protocol dedicated to file transfer (file transfer protocol being the long name). Most operating systems have basic support for FTP although most people will chuck that in favour of something like http://filezilla-project.org/
    It should also be said several of the ISO extraction/GOD install creation programs have FTP options with which they can FTP to your hard drive as they make the files if you prefer that instead.
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    As FAST did a wonderful job of explaining a lot!
    Kudo's to you mate.

    I'm going to sum things up and make it quicker.

    If you want Online gameplay and backupping then get an ODDE.
    You will not be able to play DLC/XBLA etc from an external drive and you'll have to purchase pretty much every DLC from the XBL market.
    Advantage of ODDE is that you can plonk down any 360 ISO and play them (after you patched it with ABGX)

    If you want XBLA/DLC/games and don't care about Xbox Live at all then get a RGH.
    The only downside of a RGH is the fact that you can't connect to XBLive EVER!
    Advantage of RGH is that you can upgrade the internal drive to any sized 2.5 inch so this allows for lots of space and portability
    Besides the internal drive is quicker then USB.
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    thx for ur explanations! another question lol : are ODDE and RGH region free? and there's no other hack methods apart these 2?
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    Sorry I forgot about that.

    ODDE is not region free, RGH is region free.

    That being said it is not so bad- sure there are a few Japanese shmups you miss out on (and adventure/graphic novels if you actually speak Japanese) and there are a few nice European RPGs and similar such games you might have to wait a year or so to get stateside as well as a handful of odd things like sports games for sports only popular within a given region. Other than that most things come out stateside and in Europe at roughly the same time (at worst two or three weeks and with scene releases that still usually means before street dates)
    It is not to say I would not spit in the face of the ones that think region locking is cool and implement it in consoles and it is far from effectively unnoticeable. To decide what it is worth to you think of games you might like and fire them into http://www.abgx.net/filename/?ch=6 as it will usually tell you what releases are compatible with what regions (and give a good idea of wait times).

    Other methods- assuming we are sticking with the no burning discs thing other than those handful of little things like PIRS DLC there is nothing unless you want to get a developer 360 (rare, expensive and somewhat cumbersome and as such not worth it unless you actually have a good reason to get one).

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