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, Reuters: Sony credit downgraded to "BBB+"; Outlook Negative (Go to first unread post)
xist Post #1 Posted 08 February 2012 - 01:04 PM

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-- The likelihood of a strong recovery in Sony's earnings is low, due to a massive erosion of prices, falling demand, and harsh competition in Sony's mainstay businesses.

-- Standard & Poor's lowered the long-term corporate credit and debt ratings on Sony to 'BBB+' and removed the ratings from CreditWatch. We affirmed the 'A-2' short-term corporate credit rating.

-- The outlook is negative, reflecting our view that we could lower the ratings further if we see no meaningful sign of recovery in Sony's earnings within six to 12 months.

Standard & Poor's Ratings Services today lowered its long-term corporate credit and senior unsecured debt ratings on Sony Corp. to 'BBB+' from 'A-' and removed the ratings from CreditWatch, where we placed them Nov. 4, 2011. The outlook on the long-term corporate credit rating is negative. We base the downgrade on our view that severe circumstances in Sony's mainstay electronics businesses make a strong recovery in earnings unlikely. We base the negative outlook on the long-term corporate credit rating on our expectation that we could lower the ratings further if we see no meaningful sign of a recovery in Sony's earnings within six to 12 months. We affirmed the 'A-2' short-term corporate credit rating on the company.

Sony's TV business has made repeated losses since fiscal 2004 (ended March 31, 2005). The company expects to incur a net loss of JPY220 billion in fiscal 2011. Standard & Poor's believes the major reason for the extended losses is Sony's strategy to aggressively expand its global market share despite strong competition, a massive erosion of prices, and its high cost structure compared with overseas competitors. Massive pressure on the prices of Sony's key products, such as flat-panel TVs and mobile handsets, is likely to continue, and the company's position in the global market is under strong pressure amid severe competition from Korean manufacturers and emerging Chinese companies. In our view, an enhanced focus on profits, rather than on expanding sales, and efforts to lower costs are likely to reduce losses in its TV business. However, circumstances are so severe that Standard & Poor's believes it will be difficult for Sony to return its TV business to profitability even in fiscal 2013. Therefore, we see a low likelihood of a strong recovery in Sony's earnings in the next two years or so.

Because of continuing net losses since fiscal 2008, Sony's profitability looks significantly weaker than that of its global industry peers. In addition, we believe its ratio of adjusted debt to EBITDA is likely to remain high for the next one to two years, even for companies in the 'BBB' category. Standard & Poor's also believes Sony's adjusted total debt to capital (excluding finance operations) will rise to around 40% as of March 31, 2012, from 35% a year earlier. However, we base our one-notch downgrade on our view that Sony's profitability and financial standing will gradually recover in fiscal 2012 because there will be no repeat of one-off expenses due to floods in Thailand and impairment losses on stockholdings. Also, we believe Sony's strong short-term liquidity (excluding finance operations) continues to support its financial stability.

The outlook on the long-term corporate credit rating on Sony is negative, reflecting our view that we could lower the ratings further if we see no meaningful sign of a recovery in earnings within six to 12 months. We expect strong price erosion and a fall in demand may delay a recovery in earnings in the company's TV segment and lead to further expenses in restructuring.

Sony's progress toward a recovery of earnings in its TV business in the coming six to 12 months will be key to our analysis of the company's credit quality. We may consider lowering the ratings on Sony if we see a likelihood of weak performance in the TV business leading to another net loss in fiscal 2012. Adjusted total debt to capital (excluding finance operations) of above 40% for an extended period would also pressure the ratings. To consider upgrading the company, we would need to see Sony stabilize earnings in its core businesses and show stronger prospects for financial improvement. Given the severity of the business environment, though, we consider the possibility of such an outcome low at present.


http://www.reuters.c...WLA260120120208

Sony - 2.9 Billion Net Loss
Sharp - 3.8 Billion Net Loss
Panasonic - 10.2 Billion Net Loss

"Major price falls of products and devices such as LCD colour televisions and solar batteries as well as a dramatic increase of the yen"


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lostdwarf DELETED Posted 08 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

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Coto Post #2 Posted 08 February 2012 - 01:18 PM

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Maybe overwhelmed Sony lawsuits, PS3 BC compatibility removal and ranting like 13 year old boys weren't a good idea, after all.

Edited by Coto, 08 February 2012 - 01:19 PM.


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They specifically mention it's TV side. Not the PS3 or games side at all.


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Notice how this thread will be about Sony and nothing on Panasonic/Sharp.

Though I can't remember the last time I saw one of Panasonics or Sharps TVs. Samsung 4evr.


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Not to mention literally every company that operates out of Japan has been getting completely screwed by the yen. I know Nintendo got some pretty harsh losses despite rather fantastic 3DS software sales (hardware sales don't help them).

It's the strong yen that screw them and I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony drop out of TVs. They still have major holds in music and film so they've got their fingers in enough pies. Hopefully they have some fire sale on those budget 3D TVs, I wouldn't mind getting one.


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And Hirai just took over Stringer's position...what a mess he inherited.

Reminds me of the time Obama got elected President.


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Sony's products, mainly TVs and handhelds, but I'm reading this being a company issue as whole. Maybe some Sony's divisions will say bye bye? It'd be a shame, of course.

Panasonic would be the worst case here, and it'd be a shame the company dies, but I haven't seen a lot of their products around here.


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View PostCoto, on 08 February 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Maybe some Sony's divisions will say bye bye?


CCTV purports to show Valwin burning down a Sony Music warehouse in the London Riots of August 2011.

All we can do is wait and see how the new plans of focus and graded targets for future expansion work out. These figures reflect the Sony of yesterday...it's the Sony of tomorrow that's relevant, and hopefully Hirai will pull things back from the brink. But it's also the same story across many of the larger Japanese corporations....the value of the Yen, and the recovery from last years environmental damage means that writing these figures off solely as a Company failure is short sighted.


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Re the Panasonic one it was the next article I believe
http://www.reuters.c...E81206P20120203


Anyhow I looked up historical share prices- New York and Tokyo are the main exchanges but they appear to have something in London and Osaka as well. The former two have pretty much halved (or actually halved) in the last year but despite this news they seem to be crawling back up. ( http://www.google.co...stperiod=weekly and http://www.google.co...ance?q=NYSE:SNE ).


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I am guessing the Sony story is mentioned and highlighted because they are the only one with a games console out of the 3 company's.


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View Postxist, on 08 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

View PostCoto, on 08 February 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Maybe some Sony's divisions will say bye bye?

All we can do is wait and see how the new plans of focus and graded targets for future expansion work out. These figures reflect the Sony of yesterday...it's the Sony of tomorrow that's relevant, and hopefully Hirai will pull things back from the brink. But it's also the same story across many of the larger Japanese corporations....the value of the Yen, and the recovery from last years environmental damage means that writing these figures off solely as a Company failure is short sighted.


I agree Xist, as long Sony as company learn from their mistakes and focus on what they really know to do:

digital / hardware development


xist Post #12 Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:13 PM

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View Postlostdwarf, on 08 February 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

I am guessing the Sony story is mentioned and highlighted because they are the only one with a games console out of the 3 company's.


Which is the reason it's posted because this is primarily a gaming community. Either of the other company's could be posted but the direct relevance to us is more questionable....the other companies are merely there to dispel the "doomed" naysayers, as it illustrates it's multi-corporational and not just Sony (and an adjunct to a depressed economy)


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The Yen needs to weaken fast, it's taking everyone down.

Sony does need to do away with some of it's divisions and keep only 2 or 3 with the console division being one of them.


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i thought panasonic were doing good with their new viera plasmas with KUDO tech their definately the BEST plasma out there.

Edited by Bladexdsl, 08 February 2012 - 03:38 PM.







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