Gaming Do we finally know the truth about BOTW

sarkwalvein · Dec 5, 2017

What about a minecraft style resource gathering/crafting game inspired on wind waker?
The name would be ~~oceanhorn~~ The legend of Zeldo: Breath of the Whale.

Wait, this isn't the game pitch thread, isn't it?

FAST6191 · Dec 5, 2017

In a work where it is an established universe/reality, this one or otherwise, I can see questions of timelines arising.

Zelda always strikes me as a known setup -- you don't have to spend ages setting the scene where for the last few decades you get people to know the broad strokes. Nobody cares that we don't have a James Bond origin story every film as it is a known setup. Some can be direct sequels of a sort if you ~~want to reuse an engine~~ think there is some more of the setup to explore but it is hardly mandated.
Timelines then become a work of fan fiction and you can ignore it, or play with it if you want some cheap marketing.

Zukov · Dec 5, 2017

RedBlueGreen said:
You shouldn't have to be imaginative to enjoy a game. If you, the player, have to use your imagination it means the developers didn't do their job. It's not The Sims or Minecraft, it's an action game.

False, you are the one who close the gaps of information with your thoughts, so the developer should and need to consider this. It's been used by artists since the beggining of the avant-garde.
We know this since the first experiencies from the Gestalt group... so... like the beggining of XX century?

spotanjo3 · Dec 5, 2017

jt_1258 said:
when nintendo of japan isn't sure about the timeline of there own game

My mistake.. It was in October 2017. Here:

https://www.destructoid.com/zelda-p...of-the-wild-fits-in-the-timeline-467230.phtml

http://nintendoeverything.com/zelda...ros-path-mode-was-added-as-dlc-timeline-more/

RedBlueGreen · Dec 5, 2017

I don't know when the game takes place in the timeline but I assume it's an alternate branch to the child timeline since there are still Zora and Rito (who shouldn't exist because they evolved from Zora after Hyrule flooded (which itself doesn't make sense) when the Link from OoT went to Termina) and Goron which I don't believe were present in WW but return in Phantom Hourglass which takes place on a different continent.

Zukov said:
False, you are the one who close the gaps of information with your thoughts, so the developer should and need to consider this. It's been used by artists since the beggining of the avant-garde.
We know this since the first experiencies from the Gestalt group... so... like the beggining of XX century?

Drawing a conclusion with information you know isn't being imaginative, nor is figuring something out . You're also taking this out of the context of the post I was replying to where it was claimed that you had to be imaginative to enjoy games like this one.

Hielkenator2 said:
Who told you it's an action game? How do you feel about the first legend of zelda on NES? play that game without the help of internet. You have to be imagenitive to enjoy these game and to figure shit out. That is what BOTW is about. Figuring shit out by yourself. Stop thinking in boxes.

I spent the last week or so playing BOTW (for the first time and finished it) and now I disagree even more. There's very little you have to figure out yourself. The game gives you objectives constantly, there are no real puzzles, and the Divine Beasts entire "puzzle" revolves around controlling them in the most simple ways. The shrines I've done weren't particularly challenging either. Sure, how you get to some areas is up to you but that's all.

Chris_Highwind · Dec 5, 2017

RedBlueGreen said:
You shouldn't have to be imaginative to enjoy a game. If you, the player, have to use your imagination it means the developers didn't do their job. It's not The Sims or Minecraft, it's an action game.

So I guess every developer making games before the NES never did their jobs?

RedBlueGreen · Dec 5, 2017

Chris_Highwind said:
So I guess every developer making games before the NES never did their jobs?

Playing a game without a story isn't being imaginative. What I'm saying is that if you have to actually use a lot of imagination just to enjoy the game then there's clearly an issue there. You can enjoy something like Pacman or Digdug (or other older games) without having to be imaginative. If you use your imagination to come up with reasons for whatever, good for you, but you shouldn't have to do that to enjoy the game.

ShadowOne333 · Dec 5, 2017

RedBlueGreen said:
I don't know when the game takes place in the timeline but I assume it's an alternate branch to the child timeline since there are still Zora and Rito (who shouldn't exist because they evolved from Zora after Hyrule flooded (which itself doesn't make sense) when the Link from OoT went to Termina) and Goron which I don't believe were present in WW but return in Phantom Hourglass which takes place on a different continent.

The Zoras and Ritos could easily co-exist with each other.
The fact that the Rito are an evolved form of the Zoras doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot live at the same time as them.
Taking evolution as an example today, we have a lot of evolutionary links which evolved, but yet the previous unevolved form of the creature is still living.

One clear example (if we take Darwin's evolution into consideration) would be primates and humans.
If we, humans, are the evolved form of the primate, how could they still co-exist with us?
That's the absolute proof when trying to fit Zora and Rito in the same timeline.

My theory goes that the Zoras were going to evolve regardless of the Hyrule flood which occurred in WW, it only took them longer to evolve into Rito in the Child timeline.

DreIceAge · Dec 6, 2017

They don't give 2 fucks about the Timeline anymore.

TheTechGenius · Dec 9, 2017

MeowMeowMeow said:
My third point was joke.. Like you said every game does the item collection, nothing special. Also you said the dungeons and soundtrack were lame, and you think it's still a 9? Only thing I ment to say is, dont trust those 10/10 reviews, its just not realistic.

Well, the majority of gamers would have to disagree with you, since Zelda BOTW won Game of the Year at the Game Awards.

The crazy thing is, this is Nintendo's first attempt at a true open world game. Could it be better? Of course. It could be a lot better. But for thier first attempt at the Open World Genre, they nailed it.

Zelda BOTW laid an awesome foundation for future Zelda games. It only gets better from here, in terms of Zelda games.

Besides, it took other gaming studios years and years to get thier open world games right, and many attempts. I think Nintendo learned from the others mistakes, and on top of that Nintendo actually listens to player feedback and advice.

Zelda BOTW is an all around great game, with a solid foundation. And I like all the game mechanics by the way, including the breakable weapons. It makes you think before you head straight into battle.

sarkwalvein · Dec 9, 2017

TheTechGenius said:
Well, the majority of gamers would have to disagree with you, since Zelda BOTW won Game of the Year at the Game Awards.

The crazy thing is, this is Nintendo's first attempt at a true open world game. Could it be better? Of course. It could be a lot better. But for thier first attempt at the Open World Genre, they nailed it.

Zelda BOTW laid an awesome foundation for future Zelda games. It only gets better from here, in terms of Zelda games.

Besides, it took other gaming studios years and years to get thier open world games right, and many attempts. I think Nintendo learned from the others mistakes, and on top of that Nintendo actually listens to player feedback and advice.

Zelda BOTW is an all around great game, with a solid foundation. And I like all the game mechanics by the way, including the breakable weapons. It makes you think before you head straight into battle.

"If I developed my fist open world game better than the first game of others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton while working for Nintendo on BotW development. /s

PS: A fist attempt is not that impressive, if you already have a lot of experience and data on success and errors from others that tried first. Also, Zelda for the NES was open world.

TheTechGenius · Dec 9, 2017

sarkwalvein said:
"If I developed my fist open world game better than the first game of others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton while working for Nintendo on BotW development. /s

PS: A fist attempt is not that impressive, if you already have a lot of experience and data on success and errors from others that tried first. Also, Zelda for the NES was open world.

A screen scroller is not open world.

Open World didn't exist back then. A 2D game cannot be a true open world game. If that was the case, then all pokemon games would be considered open world. But they are not.

sarkwalvein · Dec 9, 2017

TheTechGenius said:
A screen scroller is not open world.

Open World didn't exist back then. A 2D game cannot be a true open world game. If that was the case, then all pokemon games would be considered open world. But they are not.

A screen scroller can be an open world. Screen scrolling is not a limitation for this.
And if you want to define open world by 3D, then Elite from 1984 is quite open.

PS: by my definition open world is not related to 3D/2D or visualitzation, but by style of gameplay, as in you can go around in a very non-linear fashion doing whatever you want in the game world, going wherever you want, and it adds more to the "open-world" experience if it is really open-ended, and the best examples of this in early games would probably be very western style RPGs.

Noctosphere · Dec 9, 2017

I remember hearing about 90's game that still own the record of the biggest open world game
Iirc the game is sci fi with different planet and a huuuuûuge space environment

Pippin666 · Dec 14, 2017

I am no timeline fag, just play the game. Timelime doesn't make any sense in the Zelda series anyway.

Pip'

Futurdreamz · Dec 14, 2017

I'd suspect that it follows A Link Between Worlds, which is the final game of the Golden age before the era of darkness. ALBW and even Tri Force Heros starts hinting at more advanced manufacturing methods (especially in the textile industry), and in that game Ganondorf was banished to Lorule and split from the power of the Triforce, which reasonably would make a return very difficult and time consuming.

Logically:
ALBW: Ganondorf is permanently banished, taking away the mind of the evil force
TFH: The sudden onset of peace starts a manufacturing boom where more complex technology can be devised.

???: Since Ganondorf is gone, great strides in technology has been achieved, along with the creation of the Guardians. Presumably the Sheika persisted in developing their technology and keeping the darkness at bay.

??? (optional): Time technology is refined and spread throughout the timelines irregardless of the harm to causality. Hence the ancient technology found throughout the series.

???: After centuries of piece the guardians stay unused and the Sheika begin to lose their vigilance, perhaps politics and resource scarcity becomes a problem. Most technology becomes irrelevant with the prospect of eternal peace.

Just before the events of BOTW: Signs of Ganon's return start becoming prevalent. The Shiekas start to scramble to reactivate their ancient Guardians and revive their technology - unaware that they will become corrupted by Ganon. The princess is not able to obtain the Triforce of Wisdom in time, and the Hero is put into a resurrection chamber to survive.

BOTW: Ganon is defeated, but recovery is slow and painful. Ganon still exists in Hyrule, so his powers return again and again. leading to the very first Legend of Zelda for the NES

...

I think that sounds about right. I'd have to spend a lot mire time referencing my Hyrule Historia, but it doesn't have ALBW in it.

Noctosphere · Dec 14, 2017

Tell me if im wrong in anything im about to say, but i have an important question after that
If i got it right, the guardian and the divine beast were built 10 000 years before botw
Ganon awaken 100 years ago and zelda went to the hyruke castle to fight him.
In botw, ganon is trapped inside the hyrule castle.
So heres my question, where does ganon was before he awakens? From what i understand, he was trapped under the castle, i dont know where exactly...
In the adult timeline, he was trapped in the sacred realm inside the temple of time
In the child timeline, he was trapped in the twilight realm
In the fallen hero timeline, all i know is that Ganon, not ganondorf, was trapped by the 7 sages, i dont know where he was trapped exactly though
Before the time split, he was the king of the gerudo
Now, as i said, from what i understood, ganon was trapped under the castle, which doesnt fit with any timeline

So, my guess, we are facing a fourth timeline, or a game in fallen hero timeline, with no explanation as to how ganon got sealed under the castle yet, or we are facing a game occuring before ocarina of time...
Tell me what you think

Uumas · Dec 14, 2017

The guardians and divine beasts were used to seal Ganon away 10000 years before BOTW.

Noctosphere · Dec 14, 2017

Uumas said:
The guardians and divine beasts were used to seal Ganon away 10000 years before BOTW.

Ok but where? Where has he been sealed? Under the castle right? But where under the castle? A sacred ground like the one used to seal demise in ss? A temple that lies under the castle?
Also, 10 000 years ago, its still very vague, we dont know where 10k years ago is on the timeline, right?
The more i think about it, the more i think its a reboot

Uumas · Dec 14, 2017

Noctosphere said:
Ok but where? Where has he been sealed? Under the castle right? But where under the castle? A sacred ground like the one used to seal demise in ss? A temple that lies under the castle?
Also, 10 000 years ago, its still very vague, we dont know where 10k years ago is on the timeline, right?
The more i think about it, the more i think its a reboot

Maybe the place where the fight happens?

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