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ow damn, my switch updated by itself and it was turned off for a month.

jk.

i turned it on just now to check if i will see that update pop up despite not having connected it to the internet once.
but nothing, @Thirty3Three how exactly did this happen for you ?

i am curious, i would like to trigger it haha.
 
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Pretty sure u updated by trying the "Hidden switch boot mode" ,

Never thought of this but this is by far the most plausible possibility. If the switch downloaded the update the last time you had a network connection, the hidden boot mode would have installed it as it has been confirmed that is it's purpose.
 

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sorry you had to manage that much troll posts in this thread :(

I also had that 4.1.0 notification (well, it didn't tell me the version number, just "please update") on the same day, but I had my internet enabled so I didn't find it strange.
What I found strange is the speed it took to update. like, instantly. Like in fact there weren't anything to update or replace.

So, mayyyybe (yeah, supposition so far), the 4.0.1 update had a license issue for something nintendo couldn't use until december, but they embedded it in 4.0.1 anyway and made the console use it and update to version number to 4.1.0 without downloading anything new from the server only past a certain date (the file was already on the console ! waiting to be used until a certain date).
Something like exFat license, or anything else planned that they had to renew ?
it asked me to update before ever inserting an SD Card, so it's not a renew of exFAT license. could be anything else.
What's strange is that it didn't go from 4.0.1 to 4.0.2 for a small fix, but increased the major version to 4.1, it did add something major, but updated quite quickly. Unless file access is very fast now, or the update was only a small file.

for users asking, you could refuse the update and still play the games. it's not a mandatory update.


Like SG854 asked, did you try to update ? (I didn't read anything from you saying you did). or you still don't want to try?
just to see if indeed you already have the needed files, or if it's just a time bomb to a known release date embeded in 4.0.1.

4.0.1 time bomb : I know the release date of 4.1.0 and will prompt you to update, but you'll need a connection to do it.
4.0.1 embedded file : I know the date I need to update a license, and will prompt you to update, you don't need a connection because I already have the needed file !
another cause : it did download it from other means :
- other consoles? it can sync game's update with someone else's switch, it sure can do it with console's update too. it doesn't require a network setup to sync. but your only contact is a non gamer neighbor.
- some communication we don't know? Does the console try to connect to open hotspot like 3DS?
- kept internet info even if deleted? possible, your router should log that. set a proxy to enable switch communication only when you want.
- hdmi communication though internet connected tv (but you said you didn't connect to TV).

I think time bomb and license file update are making the most senses, but other users who didn't power their console since 4.0.1 would have the same update prompt for either both suppositions.
based on LeonMagnus's post above, not having the prompt means its neither time bomb or embedded file, it triggers the prompt only when an update is ready to install.
 
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I'm on 3.0 I have not been online since the installing BOTW DLC Pack 1 on day 1 of release. I also have a Wifi saved with correct password. DNS are not changed or blocked in router. I play everyday with this and have never gotten a nag for a update I had already installed the SD Card update day 1 of me getting the switch.
Edit: I also have open WiFi access all around me and the places I go. I also play on my TV. My Lg Smart TV is internet connected via Hardwired and using a 6ft HDMI 1.4 cable so The Dock can sit on my Computer Desk.
 
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Please do not take this in any way to be a statement of fact.

I have heard various (unconfirmed) reports that consoles can receive updates from nearby other consoles if both are on >4.x, even if neither is connected to the same wifi network.

I've been trying to see if this is nonsense or not, actually.


Was your console around anyone else's more updated console before the notification appeared @Thirty3Three ?
 
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Please do not take this in any way to be a statement of fact.

I have heard various (unconfirmed) reports that consoles can receive updates from nearby other consoles if both are on >4.x, even if neither is connected to the same wifi network.

I've been trying to see if this is nonsense or not, actually.


Was your console around anyone else's more updated console before the notification appeared @Thirty3Three ?

Wasn't that supposed to be an actual feature since the 3DS ? I think I read somewhere that it could get notifications, applications and maybe update files via other nearby console (it was the case with StreetPass on 3DS IIRC)
 
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Ok so.. let me dispell all the weird conspiracy theories..

There are a few known ways a system might get to know of a system update:
1. Actual internet connection, thus being "logged on" to a wifi network that provides a internet connection.
2. Plugging in a game cartridge on which a system update resides.

And a few speculative ways a system might get to know of a potential update (ones for which I have not done the proper research for to actually know whether its really being done or not..):
1. Plugging in a game cartridge which was used on a different switch that had an internet connection
2. Playing co-op with someone (who has had internet or is on a higher system version)
3. Being "near" to another switch whilst both having wifi on (but not necessarily connected) (think 3DS streetpass)
4. Inserting an SD card that has been in a different switch
5. Nintendo knew there was an update coming out in N days from that current version and implemented a timer

And potentially a few different ways..
If your switch has NEVER connected to the internet and has had its wifi turned off *permanently* and you aren't using other people's games there is no way for your switch to know there was an update..
If it does know.. You must have had provided it a way to get that data.

In the end all methods rely on a connection being made to another data source which must contain update information (whether its only "current system version = X.Y" or the actual update itself)
There is no ghost-shit going on here.
 
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And a few speculative ways a system might get to know of a potential update (ones for which I have not done the proper research for to actually know whether its really being done or not..):
1. Plugging in a game cartridge which was used on a different switch that had an internet connection
2. Playing co-op with someone (who has had internet or is on a higher system version)
3. Being "near" to another switch whilst both having wifi on (but not necessarily connected) (think 3DS streetpass)
4. Inserting an SD card that has been in a different switch
5. Nintendo knew there was an update coming out in N days from that current version and implemented a timer

1. I doubt that the cartridges are write-able... they are probably read-only.
2. Valid, could be Wi-Fi Direct.
3. Valid, could be Wi-Fi Direct.
4. If data is encrypted on the SD card, then there's a good chance that it won't be able to read it as the higher system version will be using a different key, but it could see that the current key doesn't work, so an update must be available.
5. There could be delays in update implementation and roll-out, I don't think it will display the message unless it knows for a fact an update is ready.

Another possibility...

6. Joy-con controllers that were upgraded with the new system update, the switch seeing that the joy-con version is higher than it can provide, thus a system update must be available.
 
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1. I doubt that the cartridges are write-able... they are probably read-only.
2. Valid, could be Wi-Fi Direct.
3. Valid, could be Wi-Fi Direct.
4. If data is encrypted on the SD card, then there's a good chance that it won't be able to read it as the higher system version will be using a different key.
5. There could be delays in update implementation and roll-out, I don't think it will display the message unless it knows for a fact an update is ready.

Another possibility...

6. Joy-con controllers that were upgraded with the new system update, the switch seeing that the joy-con version is higher than it can provide, thus a system update must be available.

I thought I read somewhere that there's a small part of writable memory on the cartridges..
 

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Let's see if we have the scenario right...
  1. OP had wifi enabled prior to v4.1 being released, and updated to v4.0.1. (t=0)
  2. OP disabled wifi and enabled airplane mode (t=10)
  3. v4.1 was released (t=20)
  4. OP used (played with) hidden boot method (t=30)
  5. OP was prompted to update system (t=50)
  6. OP did not use new game cart or SD card between t=10 and t=50
  7. OP did not have any other switch nearby between t=10 and t=50
Is that about right, @Thirty3Three ?
What's missing:
  • When did you disable wifi vs. enable airplane mode (are you *sure* both happened before t=20)?
  • When did you delete the wifi connection information? (which is different than disabling wifi, and different than airplane mode...)
  • Did you reboot and restart a game between t=10..20, without an update notification?
  • Did you reboot and restart a game between t=20..30, without an update notification?
  • Did you reboot and restart a game between t=30..40, without an update notification?
  • Did you know that the hidden boot method might connect/update?
  • Do you log your wifi connections? (router logs may indicate connections you didn't expect)
A quote from section 2 of the Switch's EULA (see https://www.nintendo.com/consumer/info/en_na/docs.jsp):
Some of these Updates may be provided automatically without notice to you. You consent to Nintendo providing you with, and installing, automatic Updates to the Console in the background with or without notice to you.

AFAIK, console-to-console game updates are already a thing (built-in). Extending this to firmware is the next logical step, and appears to be something the EULA (at least EN_NA) allows Nintendo to do.

Occam's razor suggests simplest answers are most likely. Examples of simple causes:
  • an (honest) mistake by OP
  • lack of distinction between airplane mode vs. no wifi connection
 

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Hello, I have a puyo puyo cartridge, which is ment to be for a 1.0 switch when the time is right. But I also would like to play this cartridge on a switch with a 4.x firmware.
Would the 4.x switch possibly screw up the puyo cartridge when played on? And If I put it back to the 1.0 switch will it trigger some higher firmware on it?
 

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Hello, I have a puyo puyo cartridge, which is ment to be for a 1.0 switch when the time is right. But I also would like to play this cartridge on a switch with a 4.x firmware.
Would the 4.x switch possibly screw up the puyo cartridge when played on? And If I put it back to the 1.0 switch will it trigger some higher firmware on it?
it shouldn't. cartridges are read only with zero writable memory iirc
 

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Please do not take this in any way to be a statement of fact.

I have heard various (unconfirmed) reports that consoles can receive updates from nearby other consoles if both are on >4.x, even if neither is connected to the same wifi network.

I've been trying to see if this is nonsense or not, actually.


Was your console around anyone else's more updated console before the notification appeared @Thirty3Three ?
My second console haven't said a peep yet. It's however not connected to the network.

EDIT: Sorry I noticed it was an old thread @SciresM
 

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it shouldn't. cartridges are read only with zero writable memory iirc
Yes, I also under the impression they should be read only. But read some users were experiencing some nagging for updates with switches disconnected from internet, combined with cartridges which were previously put in switches with higher firmwares.
Could someone confirm if a puyo cartridge used on a higher firmware enabled Switch is not altered or changed?
And in follow up to this, does not alter or change a switch on 1.0 when the Puyo cartridge is inserted and carry over a higher firmware?
Maybe It's paranoia, but can also imagine Nintendo will try everything to enable higher firmwares on every possible way they get.
 

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Yes, I also under the impression they should be read only. But read some users were experiencing some nagging for updates with switches disconnected from internet, combined with cartridges which were previously put in switches with higher firmwares.
Could someone confirm if a puyo cartridge used on a higher firmware enabled Switch is not altered or changed?
And in follow up to this, does not alter or change a switch on 1.0 when the Puyo cartridge is inserted and carry over a higher firmware?
Maybe It's paranoia, but can also imagine Nintendo will try everything to enable higher firmwares on every possible way they get.
I don't think they would be obscene about it. They would problably expect a portion of their userbase to have zero access to the internet, so they wouldn't trigger a nag just because a friend let you borrow a cartridge that informed your console that his console had updated - only for you to not ever get access to a cartridge with an update on it.
 

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I was on 4.0. I was alerted of the system update to 4.1 without any internet connection. NO way to connect to the internet, and I was still alerted. The game cart asked for an update too. Same thing. No internet. C'mon guy. READ
Put it in airplane mode, then boot into recovery mode, don't select anything and hit power..Then after reboot you should be good.
 

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