This is so not Nintendo that I don't think it's even possible.
Honestly I could see a dock with an upgraded GPU, but I doubt it'd happen until like... 2020, at least. And even if it did happen, they'd have to find a way to make the entire dock cost less than $200 (which could theoretically be done with Volta, I guess)
Well if you take some of the stuff out that didn't need to be included, the dock is like $30, joy cons is like $35 right? HD rumble, NFC reader, Infa red sensor, motion controls, It could have just been a tablet with $200 with a standard controller which I bet most games by other companies will aim for, and the other stuff is optional purchases. It could have been cheaper but with the talk of all that hardware just made it cost that much.
Does anyone even care about rumble anymore? You buy games for the motion controls? Are they gonna make more amiibos or make the ones we have work with more games? That stuff just seem to make the joycon more expensive. Most people would use dock for ethernet but I'm sure there could be accessories without it, and the 5G AC wifi isn't bad at all to be honest, way better than ps4.
I don't see an add-on but a new Dock, 4K Capable Dock... that seems very likely to happen in the first redesign.
By 2020, wouldn't they just have updated the Switch itself? "New Switch."
Sliding in? What size are you thinking of? Even without a CD and piggybacking off some of Switch power, surely a 4K add-on would be significantly big?
I was the one confused, but I think a dock would be better. I doubt they would go back to two screen gaming just to play 3ds games on the Switch. I don't see a 3DS player happening.Well because of this confusion, i suppose is safe to say is just misunderstanding?
New dock would be nice, with a cooling system and better charge times during use and no potential scratching, a addon I wouldn't mind for 3DS games. Maybe have the dock work without the switch, you can put in the Game card or maybe the SD card with the 3DS games on, and use the switch as the touch screen or include second screen in package.
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lopbeck deciv for the 4k wil technicality work and could b nice. sort of like an meister mainframe for oodl console. if done rit it can make switch looks beestter nbut if dont wrong might leave many of pixlees to sen by eye!!!
I'd love a Switch expansion pack, but it would be better off as wires instead of connecting into the switch
I'm referring to your idea of a GPU dock that also plays 3DS games lolWell if you take some of the stuff out that didn't need to be included, the dock is like $30, joy cons is like $35 right? HD rumble, NFC reader, Infa red sensor, motion controls, It could have just been a tablet with $200 with a standard controller which I bet most games by other companies will aim for, and the other stuff is optional purchases. It could have been cheaper but with the talk of all that hardware just made it cost that much.
Does anyone even care about rumble anymore? You buy games for the motion controls? Are they gonna make more amiibos or make the ones we have work with more games? That stuff just seem to make the joycon more expensive. Most people would use dock for ethernet but I'm sure there could be accessories without it, and the 5G AC wifi isn't bad at all to be honest, way better than ps4.
Yes, and is only a IDEA. Not really sure it would be $300 since playstation tv was less than $100, shouldn't be that expensive right?
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Switch is only able to output up to 1080p. Even in 720p it lags sometimes. For 4k output (for things other then pictures and videos) it will need additional processors (graphical and probably also normal cpu) which will only run on docked mode... nintendo never made an addon for consoles that gives them more processing power. I dont think it will happen. If you want 4k box go get xbonex or pc capable of that. Pc is better because you will also get to play (if you get enough proccessing power) zelda botw at 4k
If they will make such a thing- it will cost a lot (more then the switch itself) and then it will be no different then buying a 4k box by itself...
This is Nintendo, not Microsoft or Sony. I could see them dropping an upgraded GPU, or actually, this sounds so PC in general, a home console with an addon GPU sounds ridiculous at this point. Back then, sure, but now? For home consoles, the equivalent of an addon GPU is...well, a new console mid-generation. GASP, Microsoft and Sony already did that.
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You also need to transfer a lot of data between in-built processors and memory to the gpu outside, probably only through the usb c port which will become the bottleneck. And it will be just better if they make the "new seitchi lite color" with more processing power...
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You also need to transfer a lot of data between in-built processors and memory to the gpu outside, probably only through the usb c port which will become the bottleneck. And it will be just better if they make the "new seitchi lite color" with more processing power...
I'm surprised nobody pointed one huge design flaw with the Switch that would make it very hard to achieve 4k. Storage.
Compare size of XBO and PS4 games to size of Switch games, especially for the 'enhanced' PS4 PRO and XBO X games that are made with 4k in mind. Those textures themselves take TENS of gigabytes. That means that a physical copy of the game would be unable to have those textures, it would be necessary to download them from Nintendo's servers. Have fun downloading a 30GB texture pack for example. Not to mention that in such a case the dock would HAVE TO have built in storage, because the 32GB of the Switch itself, or even the SD cards would simply be not enough to handle those. And with that would come a huge problem, such dock would basically rob Switch of it's main gimmick, taking the console out to play on the go, as during a 4k game like this it would be depending on the external memory that would be disconnected the moment you take the Switch out.
Compare size of XBO and PS4 games to size of Switch games, especially for the 'enhanced' PS4 PRO and XBO X games that are made with 4k in mind. Those textures themselves take TENS of gigabytes. That means that a physical copy of the game would be unable to have those textures, it would be necessary to download them from Nintendo's servers. Have fun downloading a 30GB texture pack for example. Not to mention that in such a case the dock would HAVE TO have built in storage, because the 32GB of the Switch itself, or even the SD cards would simply be not enough to handle those. And with that would come a huge problem, such dock would basically rob Switch of it's main gimmick, taking the console out to play on the go, as during a 4k game like this it would be depending on the external memory that would be disconnected the moment you take the Switch out.
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Personally, 4K Switch gaming is not going to happen. Not any time soon anyways. Too many restrictions to the base hardware to prevent that. As it is, the current dock only supports 4K @ 30fps (v1.4b HDMI), so any sort of addon like what was diagrammed would be limited to that. Even if that were the target, you're not going to fit a 4K-capable GPU in that small section of the dock. A stand-alone 4K home console may not even be possible either, simply because of system design unless they did a redesign that basically made it become a new system that accepts Switch games, much like the PS4 Pro or XB1X. But that would cut out the "Switch" aspect of the system, which is really what's driving system popularity right now. Even with all this, if we were talking about true 4K and not simply running the games at a higher resolution, then it would also need textures to match, which will probably not go over too well with devs. Plus that would mean downloading the data to some external storage, and then having the games actually operate using them, which could affect load times from having initially been using flash storage (that has negligible random access time delays compared to HDDs).
The most we could hope for is a dock that will allow full 1080p @ 60fps for pretty much all games. Maybe 1440p upscaled to 4K, but that may be pushing it. But even with that, that's only possible if the Switch were designed to allow a connection of external GPUs, and whether it could allow the ease of "switching". Obtaining 60fps may be an issue because that may be bottlenecked by the CPU, which runs at 1Ghz. If the CPU in the Switch could be bumped higher while the GPU could be dormant (offsetting the heat and power requirements), then perhaps it's possible. The ease of switching I was referring to is with regard to utilizing the external GPU followed by undocking, or being portable and then docking it. The utilization of an external GPU is going to have its own vRAM, so game assets will need to be uploaded at appropriate times. If going from undocked to docked, how exactly would it know what needs to be uploaded to the external GPU? What about the other way? My thoughts are the following.
- In all instances, the game loads the appropriate assets into Switch's RAM to allow being able to undock.
- When docking, the entirety of Switch's 4GB of RAM is duplicated through the USB-C connection to the external GPU's RAM at a theoretical 10Gbps minimum (1.25GB/s), assuming it is USB 3.1 gen2. Then a slice of time to set things up to enable the dock's GPU, so you'll probably be looking at 4-6 seconds of waiting for it to sync. Maybe 1-2 seconds tops when undocking, because all the data will already be on Switch's RAM, but reinitializing the Switch GPU might need some time.
- When loading data from internal storage, cart or microSD while docked, data is first loaded into Switch RAM, then shot through USB-C to the external GPU RAM. Dunno if this would affect real-time performance.
The most we could hope for is a dock that will allow full 1080p @ 60fps for pretty much all games. Maybe 1440p upscaled to 4K, but that may be pushing it. But even with that, that's only possible if the Switch were designed to allow a connection of external GPUs, and whether it could allow the ease of "switching". Obtaining 60fps may be an issue because that may be bottlenecked by the CPU, which runs at 1Ghz. If the CPU in the Switch could be bumped higher while the GPU could be dormant (offsetting the heat and power requirements), then perhaps it's possible. The ease of switching I was referring to is with regard to utilizing the external GPU followed by undocking, or being portable and then docking it. The utilization of an external GPU is going to have its own vRAM, so game assets will need to be uploaded at appropriate times. If going from undocked to docked, how exactly would it know what needs to be uploaded to the external GPU? What about the other way? My thoughts are the following.
- In all instances, the game loads the appropriate assets into Switch's RAM to allow being able to undock.
- When docking, the entirety of Switch's 4GB of RAM is duplicated through the USB-C connection to the external GPU's RAM at a theoretical 10Gbps minimum (1.25GB/s), assuming it is USB 3.1 gen2. Then a slice of time to set things up to enable the dock's GPU, so you'll probably be looking at 4-6 seconds of waiting for it to sync. Maybe 1-2 seconds tops when undocking, because all the data will already be on Switch's RAM, but reinitializing the Switch GPU might need some time.
- When loading data from internal storage, cart or microSD while docked, data is first loaded into Switch RAM, then shot through USB-C to the external GPU RAM. Dunno if this would affect real-time performance.
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Correct, but you haven't factored in the GPU upgrade yetYes, and is only a IDEA. Not really sure it would be $300 since playstation tv was less than $100, shouldn't be that expensive right?
Well I dunno, just ideas. I doubt it would be expensive to just have hardware requirements to play 3DS games in 1080P like vita tv. 3DS GPU isn't anything impressive is it? if anything, the vita tv could have been more expensive than a "3DS TV" cause the vita had better hardware.Correct, but you haven't factored in the GPU upgrade yet
I don't really care that much about 4k. 4k doesn't matter if your sitting farther than 8-10 feet on a 55"/60" TV.
HDR is much more exciting as it will give you more colors.
If they do have an upgradable dock I'd rather they use it to support 1080p resolution on games that don't, and improve frame rate and graphics.
HDR is much more exciting as it will give you more colors.
If they do have an upgradable dock I'd rather they use it to support 1080p resolution on games that don't, and improve frame rate and graphics.
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4K will only simply enable graphics fanboys obsessed with 4K resolution to get their jollies. I don't see the point.
I'm fine with that, as long as you can play the base game, without all the enhance visuals. They should allow external hard drives regardless of this idea. As long as the base game is on the console, it would just switch (
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