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Seems like you haven't heard of AOSP or CM/Lineage without GApps installed.

Now you just went fully retarded. Of course blobs have binary genders... Planet Earth has binary genders...

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Yep. While I can tell the sarcasm, blaming the OS for something the app devs can set and manage as about as retarded as you can get.


We're reaching iDiot levels of retardation.
Do you not understand what a binary blob is?
 
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you should be able to move installed apps to the sd card, and be able to uninstall apps you dont want.

i have always preferred andriod over iOS any day, well mainly because crapple locks everything down and over price its old hardware/features.

when it comes to crapple your basically paying over the tops of samsung hardware thats in a different shell.
 

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Of course blobs have binary genders... Planet Earth has binary genders...
I know this is off-topic and is possible to start a fight but blobs don't have binary genders. They're unisex, a guy or a girl could use them just fine with no judgement on the gender of the blobs. I know you probably already know this, in fact after reading your post you mean that the planet earth itself, would be binary gender. Maybe make it say "Planet Earth itself" and say "unisex" because saying binary is getting a bit into tumblr mode.

I know I sound like some douche for saying that but to make up for it i'll be on-topic.

you should be able to move installed apps to the sd card, and be able to uninstall apps you dont want.

i have always preferred andriod over iOS any day, well mainly because crapple locks everything down and over price its old hardware/features.

when it comes to crapple your basically paying over the tops of samsung hardware thats in a different shell.
Yeah, but I guess that's the downfall whenever someone lets anyone use their OS to mess around. You're gonna get companys loading their useless shit in it. Like come on if you're gonna add bloat at least add some really small, like 1mb game where it's whack-a-mole or something. Or add something that users will find useful.

Do you not understand what a binary blob is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob
Sorry, it's just you know how google made emoji blobs, hey maybe that's why they're blobs! :o
 

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Yeah, but I guess that's the downfall whenever someone lets anyone use their OS to mess around. You're gonna get companys loading their useless shit in it. Like come on if you're gonna add bloat at least add some really small, like 1mb game where it's whack-a-mole or something. Or add something that users will find useful.

ohh sorry my bad, lets lock our devices down and only allow crapple to load useless shit into the device.

theyre as bad as windows, i mean its recent update when you could unlock a device without using the home button...... CRAPPLE sit there thinking HOW CAN WE ROYALY FUCK YOUR DAY UP TODAY.....

LETS RELEASE AN UPDATE FORCING EVERYONE NOW TO HAVE TO USE THE HOME BUTTON TO UNLOCK.

hey you know what, ALL THOSE POOR SODS WITH BROKEN HOME BUTTONS..... WELL TOUGH SHIT, BUY OUR NEW PRODUCT THEN!
 

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I know this is off-topic and is possible to start a fight but blobs don't have binary genders. They're unisex, a guy or a girl could use them just fine with no judgement on the gender of the blobs. I know you probably already know this, in fact after reading your post you mean that the planet earth itself, would be binary gender. Maybe make it say "Planet Earth itself" and say "unisex" because saying binary is getting a bit into tumblr mode.

I know I sound like some douche for saying that but to make up for it i'll be on-topic.
I know that. by "blobs", I meant the whole emoji set, which contains gender-neutral, male and female emoji.
sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
 
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ohh sorry my bad, lets lock our devices down and only allow crapple to load useless shit into the device.

theyre as bad as windows, i mean its recent update when you could unlock a device without using the home button...... CRAPPLE sit there thinking HOW CAN WE ROYALY FUCK YOUR DAY UP TODAY.....

LETS RELEASE AN UPDATE FORCING EVERYONE NOW TO HAVE TO USE THE HOME BUTTON TO UNLOCK.

hey you know what, ALL THOSE POOR SODS WITH BROKEN HOME BUTTONS..... WELL TOUGH SHIT, BUY OUR NEW PRODUCT THEN!
No, I was saying lot's of companies will bloat it, I was just saying at least put some useful bloat in. Also calm down.
 

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No, I was saying lot's of companies will bloat it, I was just saying at least put some useful bloat in. Also calm down.
I am calm, and bloat? when iOS is full of the same crap apps also, advantage between Andriod and CRAPPLE is that you have more freedom when it comes to Android.

Your a small time developer, just starting out, do you:
A) create your app and release publicly and get feedback etc
B) pay CRAPPLE to put your app on its CRAP store.

Hmmm FREE vs PAID...... FREE vs PAID.

Think me knows which is best, I guess if thats argued then we have a CRAPPLE fanboy, hows you IBONE 8 *cough SAMSUNG S6 cough cough* doing.
 

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I am calm, and bloat? when iOS is full of the same crap apps also, advantage between Andriod and CRAPPLE is that you have more freedom when it comes to Android.

Your a small time developer, just starting out, do you:
A) create your app and release publicly and get feedback etc
B) pay CRAPPLE to put your app on its CRAP store.

Hmmm FREE vs PAID...... FREE vs PAID.

Think me knows which is best, I guess if thats argued then we have a CRAPPLE fanboy, hows you IBONE 8 *cough SAMSUNG S6 cough cough* doing.
I actually hate apple myself, they overprice shit and the fanboys are like kinder-gardeners going "lalalala" when we try to tell them constructive points. I was just saying how when companies edit the firmware and put their bloat in it, they should put useful stuff. I like how android is free, while apple is so limited you can't even make empty space in the launcher. Of course it's great that some companies that bloat android will let you root it, allowing you to uninstall them. Another awesome thing is that android devs can release and test their apps really easy.
 

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I think your main problem was expecting to play games on a $40 phone you won't get more than the basics for that price.
You can get a semi decent hardware for $100 if you look around hard enough but to actually have freedom and hardware to do anything you should be looking in at least the 3gb ram 32gb storage $175 range
 

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So I recently got a cheap LG X Style phone, and it comes with Android 6.0.1. It only comes with 4 GB of internal storage, but "no problem," I thought, "I have an extra 32 GB SD card laying around I can put in it." Well, I was right about being able to put it in. As for being able to actually use it, that's another story. Most of the storage space is used up by the system and built-in apps. There are a few games I like to play for a few minutes on a daily basis, but they each use up between 600MB-1 GB for all their assets and whatnot. Now, this version of android pretends to move apps to the SD card (for the 1 or 2 that actually allow it), but it's only moving like a few kilobytes or single digit MB, so it might as well be disabled entirely. With these 3 games installed and many of the built-in apps disabled, I can forget installing anything else ever again, or ever being able to update any of these games when they require a new update from the Play Store, as even though the download is only a few MB, they claim to need hundreds more in free space to install.

Which brings me to this point: why does every Android app need hundreds of MB of storage? The Facebook app and that shitty messenger app can take up 300-500 EACH. Just the YouTube executable runs at about 180 MB, that's not counting any cached/buffered videos or user data or anything like that.

I know that root can bypass these limitations, but this phone and this version of the Android OS itself are so locked down, that there will NEVER be a root for it. And tell me why in the name of Christ do we need a goddamn exploit just to root the damn thing? There should be a backdoor or something that informs you that you will void your warranty or some shit, and just leave it at that. Instead, we get different layers of security (security for them, not the user) from Google, the phone manufacturer, and to top it all off, even the service carrier you have even adds their own security measures to make sure you don't enable any features they disabled.

Smartphones should be just like a personal computer, where you can do pretty much whatever you want with the OS you have installed on YOUR hardware, and the user bears any responsibility for what they do to/with it.
I think you're missing the point that at least Android HAS an sd card slot. Not gonna see that on an iPhone..... ever....

I do need to blame the app devs for apps that increase in size exponentially with each update
Do you know what an update is?
 
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*looks at OP and title*
*uses an Android device*
*looks at the open source kernel blobs for Marshmallow, wants Nougat*
*git repo + sync + builds tries*
*Hang : Not enough memory*
*i cri evritaïm*
EDIT : *looks at Mediatek blobs, don't know what is android-3.16*
 
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What you do see on an IPHONE is some weird hybrid of a human.... we normal people class as cunts pmsl

iPhone = knowing that this is basically UNIX-based kernel (like MacOS), with a lot of modifications = 500+ dollars because Apple.

Knowing that this society can also easily "bite" the dust if no more "rich people" buys their phones. (understood the joke, hope you did)
 
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Considering all your arguments, you should never ever buy an iSucks from that rotten fruit brand.

It comes back to my mind the idea that not everything that looks awesome on the outside is awesome on the inside.

Sadly most consumers buy things based on how the product looks and not how it works, or what it offers in therms of its technical characteristics. Its always better to get informed before buying anything than having to complain afterwards.

Android is as open as it can be, but being a Linux variant, it's not for everyone to modify or fix. Even lees to use a device as Root/Admin/Super User or whatever you'd like to call it. As that level of access gives you all the freedom you'd imagine but also means that even if you're very tech minded, you might make a mistake at any time that would render the device almost/completely useless.
 

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Considering all your arguments, you should never ever buy an iSucks from that rotten fruit brand.

It comes back to my mind the idea that not everything that looks awesome on the outside is awesome on the inside.

Sadly most consumers buy things based on how the product looks and not how it works, or what it offers in therms of its technical characteristics. Its always better to get informed before buying anything than having to complain afterwards.

Android is as open as it can be, but being a Linux variant, it's not for everyone to modify or fix. Even lees to use a device as Root/Admin/Super User or whatever you'd like to call it. As that level of access gives you all the freedom you'd imagine but also means that even if you're very tech minded, you might make a mistake at any time that would render the device almost/completely useless.


You can modify the Android Open Source code as much as you want it to fit your pleasures but yeah, better be an experimented programmer to do this.
 
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And one clarification, it's not Linux, but UNIX.

Quoted from Wikipedia:

Android is a mobile operating system developed by Google, based on the Linux kernel and designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets.

Also, quoted from source.android[dot]com:

The preferred license for the Android Open Source Project is the Apache Software License, Version 2.0 ("Apache 2.0"), and the majority of the Android software is licensed with Apache 2.0. While the project will strive to adhere to the preferred license, there may be exceptions that will be handled on a case-by-case basis. For example, the Linux kernel patches are under the GPLv2 license with system exceptions, which can be found on kernel.org.

So then, the android core (its kernel) is based upon the Linux kernel, which is not Unix. The fact that Linux is a derivation of Unix is not the point of discussion here. Remember the acronym GNU.
 
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I want to clarify some things I need to clarify:
I realize I shouldn't have been too quick to blame google for this, but rather the phone manufacturers, cell service carriers and bad app devs.


The phone was a gift and I do appreciate it, since my old one was broken. Also I wouldn't call it a potato, as it retails for $150 I believe (this one was bought at a discount). I didn't think 4GB (it might even be 8GB with 4 usable, but when I plug the phone into my computer, it shows the internal storage as 3.9GB) would be a problem because of that adoptable storage feature, but it was probably cleaved out by LG as a form of planned obsolescence to force people to pay a premium for a phone with the exact same processor and RAM, and the only difference being slightly more internal storage and maybe a few less default Android features carved out of it.

I think part of the problem is that with Android being open-sourced, despite all the positive things about that, one negative is that it allows manufacturers and carriers to do devious things like disabling useful features and locking down the boot loader tighter than most game consoles so you can't re-enable them.

Which brings me to another point: finding exploits to root your phone. Despite someone earlier putting quotations around the word exploit, that is what it is! On my first Android phone, I had to run two benchmark apps simultaneously, and even launch a resource heavy game, anything that would eat up a lot of RAM and CPU cycles and run kingroot on top of all of that to get root. If that's not an exploit, I don't know what is. I would expect to jump through hoops like that when installing hacks on a modern game console, not on what amounts to a pocket-sized personal computer.

I think the Android source license needs to be changed so that any alterations need to have their source published as well, then at least we'd have more success using hardware that we own to its full potential.
 
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I think the Android source license needs to be changed so that any alterations need to have their source published as well, then at least we'd have more success using hardware that we own to its full potential.

You should read the content related to licenses on this link:

source.android[dot]com

And you might understand why are there that many licenses involved on the Android OS.

Android itself is as open as it can be, but most phone manufacturers use their own licenses at will, to "protect" their copyrights on their apps, and that has nothing to do with Android.

In my previous comment I was about to say that I prefer Motorola smartphones, because the don't come with crap-apps installed by default, they provide what they call "Pure Android", and you get to install the apps you need as you see fit. Nothing like Sony, LG, and other brands that include a bunch on crap-apps that you never use and can't uninstall freely, and in the best cases you can only disable them, but that's not a rule.
 
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