Android Why does Google insist on making their OS unusable?

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So I recently got a cheap LG X Style phone, and it comes with Android 6.0.1. It only comes with 4 GB of internal storage, but "no problem," I thought, "I have an extra 32 GB SD card laying around I can put in it." Well, I was right about being able to put it in. As for being able to actually use it, that's another story. Most of the storage space is used up by the system and built-in apps. There are a few games I like to play for a few minutes on a daily basis, but they each use up between 600MB-1 GB for all their assets and whatnot. Now, this version of android pretends to move apps to the SD card (for the 1 or 2 that actually allow it), but it's only moving like a few kilobytes or single digit MB, so it might as well be disabled entirely. With these 3 games installed and many of the built-in apps disabled, I can forget installing anything else ever again, or ever being able to update any of these games when they require a new update from the Play Store, as even though the download is only a few MB, they claim to need hundreds more in free space to install.

Which brings me to this point: why does every Android app need hundreds of MB of storage? The Facebook app and that shitty messenger app can take up 300-500 EACH. Just the YouTube executable runs at about 180 MB, that's not counting any cached/buffered videos or user data or anything like that.

I know that root can bypass these limitations, but this phone and this version of the Android OS itself are so locked down, that there will NEVER be a root for it. And tell me why in the name of Christ do we need a goddamn exploit just to root the damn thing? There should be a backdoor or something that informs you that you will void your warranty or some shit, and just leave it at that. Instead, we get different layers of security (security for them, not the user) from Google, the phone manufacturer, and to top it all off, even the service carrier you have even adds their own security measures to make sure you don't enable any features they disabled.

Smartphones should be just like a personal computer, where you can do pretty much whatever you want with the OS you have installed on YOUR hardware, and the user bears any responsibility for what they do to/with it.
 

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Android is very open, and only a computer with a Linux distro is as/or more open. 4GB of internal storage is terrible, didn't understand what you were complaining for at first since immedeatly seeing that number I thought that was your phones RAM. :rofl:

I think it can be rooted. Android 6 is of course possible to root, maybe bootloader can't be unlocked on your phone though? I'm not sure if there is some way around that if that's the case.

Apps become large like that because it is not worth the effort making them smaller. Sometimes you really wonder how it's even possible to make certain apps so huge though.
 

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I'm here with my good'n old samsung galaxy sIII mini, the only think that distrubs me is how I can't install app on the SD or at least use it as the storage of some AAp data lihe whatsapp xp I know this is an old phone and that I can't do much as I want like playing pokemon go lol but if wasn't this very limited internal storage I could do a bit more xp
 

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I think it has something to do with Google's recent restrictions on SD card write privileges. Their reasoning is based on the uninstallation of apps and the data/folders that are left behind. They argue that apps leaving unnecessary files behind as they are uninstalled is unnaceptable. It is definitely a pain that moving applications to an SD card is so darn difficult.
 

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why does every Android app need hundreds of MB of storage?
it's up to the app devs, don't blame the OS itself.
a cheap LG X Style phone
>buys third-party phone with a shitty, manufacturer-Custom ROM
>expects a good Android experience

also, as @TVL stated, 4G of internal storage is really bad. even 8G can feel bad after some time.
 

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I think the only thing I hate about android is because it's used on so many phones, if a popular phone does something really bad. Then all the people who don't realize it's that one phone will start calling android complete garbage as if that phone is the only thing running it. It could be because Apple releases certain phones and doesn't let other companies use the OS.

Back on topic, it's not android's fault, it's the phone's fault. There are lot's of phones and tablets that run android and are really good, hell even my tablet which is medium quality is doing really well, and I rooted it, and installed Xposed Framework on it. Another thing is that it was hard trying to find stuff for it. At least you're trying to do a phone which has more chance of getting support.

Just sell the phone you have now and get one that's not 4GB of storage. There's a lot of cheap phones that are very usable. If not you can see if you can get some apps to try to help you like cleaning of junk using Clean Master.

Also try to see if you can get any help with the XDA forums. Here's some links that might help you. (By the way it's a bit recent so of course there's not a lot of stuff there.)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/lg-x-style
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/help-rooting-lg-x-style-lgl53bl-t3530945
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/lg-x-style-lg-tribute-hd-rooted-boost-t3485956
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/lg-tribute-hd-ls-676-root-t3510513
 
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Enable Adoptable storage. Combines the SD card and the phone's internal storage, fixes your problem.

Also, don't blame the OS because you bought a potato phone. As technology and apps evolve, they'll require more resources to run. This isn't 2010, you can't get away with "just" 4GB of storage any more and expect every app to take up 5mb. Welcome to 2017.

Also, requiring "exploits" for root has nothing to do with Android in itself, it has to do with how manufacturers develop their phone's particular version of Android. Stock Android can be rooted practically with the click of a button, but manufacturers prefer to put in various "security measures" to make attaining root much harder (mainly to protect your phone from unauthorized access). Samsung, for instance, is rather notorious for this with their later phones (in the US anyways, in the EU they have different laws regarding device security like locked bootloaders and such).
 
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Enable Adoptable storage. Combines the SD card and the phone's internal storage, fixes your problem.

Also, don't blame the OS because you bought a potato phone. As technology and apps evolve, they'll require more resources to run. This isn't 2010, you can't get away with "just" 4GB of storage any more and expect every app to take up 5mb. Welcome to 2017.

Also, requiring "exploits" for root has nothing to do with Android in itself, it has to do with how manufacturers develop their phone's particular version of Android. Stock Android can be rooted practically with the click of a button, but manufacturers prefer to put in various "security measures" to make attaining root much harder (mainly to protect your phone from unauthorized access). Samsung, for instance, is rather notorious for this with their later phones (in the US anyways, in the EU they have different laws regarding device security like locked bootloaders and such).
some phones dont support that
 

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So I recently got a cheap LG X Style phone, and it comes with Android 6.0.1. It only comes with 4 GB of internal storage, but "no problem," I thought, "I have an extra 32 GB SD card laying around I can put in it." Well, I was right about being able to put it in. As for being able to actually use it, that's another story. Most of the storage space is used up by the system and built-in apps. There are a few games I like to play for a few minutes on a daily basis, but they each use up between 600MB-1 GB for all their assets and whatnot. Now, this version of android pretends to move apps to the SD card (for the 1 or 2 that actually allow it), but it's only moving like a few kilobytes or single digit MB, so it might as well be disabled entirely. With these 3 games installed and many of the built-in apps disabled, I can forget installing anything else ever again, or ever being able to update any of these games when they require a new update from the Play Store, as even though the download is only a few MB, they claim to need hundreds more in free space to install.

Which brings me to this point: why does every Android app need hundreds of MB of storage? The Facebook app and that shitty messenger app can take up 300-500 EACH. Just the YouTube executable runs at about 180 MB, that's not counting any cached/buffered videos or user data or anything like that.

I know that root can bypass these limitations, but this phone and this version of the Android OS itself are so locked down, that there will NEVER be a root for it. And tell me why in the name of Christ do we need a goddamn exploit just to root the damn thing? There should be a backdoor or something that informs you that you will void your warranty or some shit, and just leave it at that. Instead, we get different layers of security (security for them, not the user) from Google, the phone manufacturer, and to top it all off, even the service carrier you have even adds their own security measures to make sure you don't enable any features they disabled.

Smartphones should be just like a personal computer, where you can do pretty much whatever you want with the OS you have installed on YOUR hardware, and the user bears any responsibility for what they do to/with it.

Let's fix that:

I'm mad because I bought a garbage phone so I need to blame the operating system :angry: !1!1!!!!1!1!!!
 
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This isn't 2010, you can't expect every app to take up 5mb. Welcome to 2017.
Not really disagreeing as I know you mean like social network apps or some clicker game, etc. But just letting people know there are some really cool apps that are only like 1-10mb. Most of them are around 5mb actually. But of course they might not be your tastes.
 

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Not really disagreeing as I know you mean like social network apps or some clicker game, etc. But just letting people know there are some really cool apps that are only like 1-10mb. Most of them are around 5mb actually. But of course they might not be your tastes.
Sure, I'm not saying there's no such thing as small apps anymore (one of my favorite toilet games is like 10mb :P), but these days a vast majority of what you're using is gonna take a fair amount of space because of how complex games and apps are becoming.
 
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I think it can be rooted. Android 6 is of course possible to root, maybe bootloader can't be unlocked on your phone though? I'm not sure if there is some way around that if that's the case.
Well there is the OEM unlock option in the developer settings that I enabled, but there is no hardware button combination to enter recovery mode. I think adb can be used to enter recovery mode but there is no access to fastboot or the bootrom.
it's up to the app devs, don't blame the OS itself.
You're right, I do need to blame the app devs for apps that increase in size exponentially with each update, updates that inexplicably change compatibility (even though installing the .apk proves it works just fine), disabling the ability to move game asset data to external storage (in some cases removing the ability with an update, piling an extra 0.5-1 GB back onto the internal memory).
>buys third-party phone with a shitty, manufacturer-Custom ROM
>expects a good Android experience

also, as @TVL stated, 4G of internal storage is really bad. even 8G can feel bad after some time.
I shouldn't have to spend $300-500 to get a decent experience. Anything that's not one of those expensive flagship phones all have the same specs (1.3 ghz quad core, 1.5-2 gb ram) and so the OS should be the same across all these devices. Instead these manufacturers are charging mire for software features they've stripped from the cheaper phones, and maybe another 4-8 gb of storage. So phone manufacturers and carriers are to blame for this too.
I read through most of those already, I saw there was some progress, but it was very little, and the person working on it did not seem incredibly motivated to get it rooted, so I'm not really holding my breath on it. Thank you though.
 

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*Why does LG insist on making their phones unusable?
FTFY.

All jokes aside, Is android perfect? no. is it scaleable? YES.

The one thing that makes me jealous of apple, is the level of control they have over their releases.
With Android so many manufacturers (...and carriers) load the phones up with junk,
Example:
HTC at&t Phone:

HTC 'custom UI' ...ew
HTC brand versions of all the google apps. ...yeah thanks..
AT&T brand versions of all the google apps. wait, what?
Google version of google apps, -_-

Say "bye bye" to your storage, also, many run in the background.

And for the cheaper options, they don't tailor the experience to the hardware.

that's why custom roms are so popular, they still run android,
But they remove the junk, and often make some tweaks to make the phone run better on the exact same hardware.
 
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Sure, I'm not saying there's no such thing as small apps anymore (one of my favorite toilet games is like 10mb :P), but these days a vast majority of what you're using is gonna take a fair amount of space because of how complex games and apps are becoming.
I totally agree. Some apps I wish had a "lite" version of. Like ditty, I just like messing around and don't really care about the social network stuff. But ditty takes like 150mb. So i'm sure if they just made a version that only has the lyric thingy it'd be at least 50-100. But I guess ditty was supposed to be a social network although it is a bit limited.
 

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some phones dont support that

If your phone's manufacturer has disabled adoptable storage then it's still possible to format the storage as adoptable via ADB. If the OP is really unable to root his phone, then this is the best option for him.

However it doesn't get around the fact that Android's SD implementation is absolutely awful. They have spend God knows how many hundreds of man-hours into creating all kinds of bizarre "around-the-houses" solutions to a problem that really never existed!
 
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as long as Android is dependent on gapps
Seems like you haven't heard of AOSP or CM/Lineage without GApps installed.
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You're right, I do need to blame the app devs for apps that increase in size exponentially with each update, updates that inexplicably change compatibility (even though installing the .apk proves it works just fine), disabling the ability to move game asset data to external storage (in some cases removing the ability with an update, piling an extra 0.5-1 GB back onto the internal memory).
Yep. While I can tell the sarcasm, blaming the OS for something the app devs can set and manage as about as retarded as you can get.


We're reaching iDiot levels of retardation.
 
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Well there is the OEM unlock option in the developer settings that I enabled, but there is no hardware button combination to enter recovery mode. I think adb can be used to enter recovery mode but there is no access to fastboot or the bootrom.

I shouldn't have to spend $300-500 to get a decent experience. Anything that's not one of those expensive flagship phones all have the same specs (1.3 ghz quad core, 1.5-2 gb ram) and so the OS should be the same across all these devices. Instead these manufacturers are charging mire for software features they've stripped from the cheaper phones, and maybe another 4-8 gb of storage. So phone manufacturers and carriers are to blame for this too.

That doesn't sound too hopefull then, did you recieve this phone as a gift? You seem knowledgeble enough to have looked these things up before buying the phone. That's #1 prio when I look at a phone. If I cannot flash a custom rom then that thing is useless to me (I then look to see if they ditched the SD card slot and then see if the battery is replaceble or not).

As for the other thing I quoted, you're not wrong, but being unhappy about that reality is just wasted energy, I mean it doesn't change anything. What you could do is look at flagship phones of yesteryears when looking for a new phone. I feel like consumer electronics powerwise has _really_ hit a lull in the last couple of years where nothing has really happened. So those phones are pretty much still on par with new ones but at a third or a fourth of the price... and have you noticed people changing phones every year or so? If you happen to know someone like that you might be able to be gifted one of those or just buy a used phone.
 

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