UK police warns those who post "hate crime" and threatens users with "criminal offences"

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I'm tired of explaining this but Brazil is pretty big, most of the murders happen in places like Rio.
The rest of the country is absolutely fine and much much better than Sweden and it's migrants.

I'm alive, all the people I've known are alive and no one I know has been robbed, besides my grandmother... on a trip to Argentina.
If I had a choice, I'd go to sweden. In comparison Brazil has about 2400% the amount of murder per capita.
 

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Actually, judges from the USA think otherwise.
On the one side I see many Americans stating "words" can't be punished, but they sent this girl (righlty IMHO) to jail.
That girl sealed her fate when her bf got out of the car, and she told him to get back in and finish killing himself. At that point its no longer harsh words, but a close, dear person telling him he should end his life (repeatedly). At that exact moment, this case became murder.
 

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This is the problem with people today... Those are NOTHING alike. If someone is physically bullying you, you cant stop them with anything besides outside help or a weapon. They are using sheer force to overpower you. When someone says something mean on the internet, you can choose to ignore them, you can block the person, you can quit the website, or you could just quit the entire internet since you're such a sensitive little bitch.... (you, plural. Not you, specifically)

People need to stop being so damn thinly-skinned and learn that words cant really hurt. If you let them, then I'd say the problem lies with your insecurities and not so much the people pointing them out.

You're arguing the wrong points.

Threatening to kill someone and telling someone they're a dumbass are two different things.
Seeing as how in today's world I could find out who you are and where you live in moments, I think the distress is rightly justified.
 

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You're arguing the wrong points.

Threatening to kill someone and telling someone they're a dumbass are two different things.
Seeing as how in today's world I could find out who you are and where you live in moments, I think the distress is rightly justified.
Maybe re-read the OP? This thread is about hate crime speech, not word-murder....
 
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I'm finding it hard to pinpoint your opinion on this.
Well, my opinion...
I think extremes are bad, and both the American way, and the... well at least the German way are bit of extremes.
On the one hand they don't punish psychological wearing and targeting at all (supposedly), on the other hand they censor way too much.
 

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And often hate crime speech comes with a death threat.

On another note, I'd argue causing unnecessary hatred is pointless and should be criminalised.
Also maybe read the post I was replying to.
Read the post you were replying to? You mean mine?! The one I wrote? Pretty sure I know what it says....
 

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And often hate crime speech comes with a death threat.

On another note, I'd argue causing unnecessary hatred is pointless and should be criminalised.
Also maybe read the post I was replying to.
You're willing to forfeit your liberty for the illusion of safety. That's a dangerous thing to do. Sorry for the 'murica speech. But if you really wanted to kill someone, with enough planning, who could stop you? On the other hand, you suggest that the government should have the right to regulate the voice of its citizens. That's asinine.
 

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Lowering yourself to snark weakens your argument.

@the_randomizer said that it is asinine to punish death threats. You argued a moot point.

I didn't say anything about defending death threats. I said that any form of speech censorship was asinine. Censorship is for pantywaists. It's not cool to make death threats, hell, even people get their panties in a twist when I dare to have the audacity to have a different political view nowadays. If it's not in alignment with liberal overtones, I get verbally emasculated for it.
 
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Citizens in UK and other countries where weapons for self-defence are banned/illegal just have to disregard the police's threat and carry one for their own protection. It's nonsense that the police is pushing people to end up dead on the streets without any possibility of fighting back.

Your argument is false. The majority of people who end up dead on the streets in the UK, are the ones with weapons. A weapon does not protect you. America is a good example of this.

People need to stop being so damn thinly-skinned and learn that words cant really hurt. If you let them, then I'd say the problem lies with your insecurities and not so much the people pointing them out.

No matter how much you want to bully people with mental health problems into committing suicide, nobody will ever think it's acceptable. OK?
 
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Lowering yourself to snark weakens your argument.

@the_randomizer said that it is asinine to punish death threats. You argued a moot point.
You said my argument was weak! I'm sorry, but I'm gonna need someone to filter out these comments for me, my fragile little ego cant take mean words. Police!!!

"Snark" aside, your post simply said words cause as much distress as actions. I'm saying youre wrong. This has nothing to do with that specific case, and if you wanna bring it up, I disagree that that can be compared to almost anything else. This girl was the kid's girlfriend. She was a close person to him, not some random scrub on the internet. Imagine someone in your family, or someone close to you telling you to kill yourself over and over. Bit more serious that hearing it online from some random bigoted moron.

EDIT: Oh, and they guy you claim to be talking to says youre full of crap. lmao, nice.
 
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So you think we shouldn't stop people from inciting violence?

You think criminalizing something will honestly stop people from doing it? Something being illegal never stopped people from doing it before, like banning gun ownership, only people who break the law will own one. Same with this. or with drugs, etc. Illegality was never an effective means of stopping people from committing crimes. Or with piracy, just because it's illegal doesn't mean people will stop doing it, it only makes something more enticing, more desirable to do.
 

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You're willing to forfeit your liberty for the illusion of safety. That's a dangerous thing to do. Sorry for the 'murica speech. But if you really wanted to kill someone, with enough planning, who could stop you? On the other hand, you suggest that the government should have the right to regulate the voice of its citizens. That's asinine.

It's always interesting to see this "freedom matters" post. In the end, I would remove my freedom to hate any day of the week if it means that I don't cause unnecessary hatred.
 

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It's always interesting to see this "freedom matters" post. In the end, I would remove my freedom to hate any day of the week if it means that I don't cause unnecessary hatred.
Well, maybe you should move to North Korea then, where they censor EVERYTHING. Have fun kiddo, let us know how you like it there.
 

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You think criminalizing something will honestly stop people from doing it? Something being illegal never stopped people from doing it before, like banning gun ownership, only people who break the law will own one. Same with this. or with drugs, etc. Illegality was never an effective means of stopping people from committing crimes.

It won't stop it. It's not meant to, it will put those who do it away from society.

Do you seriously think laws are there to stop people from doing things? No, they're there to punish people when they do them.
 
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It won't stop it. It's not meant to, it will put those who do it away from society.

Do you seriously think laws are there to stop people from doing things? No, they're there to punish people when they do them.

Yes, but it's not a very good deterrent for some people, either. Sheesh, this is what I get for trying to show the downside of criminalizing. I'm not in favor, I'm just saying a fine would suffice. Incarceration isn't all that effective for this. Just look at the incarceration per capita in the US.
 
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