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Do you believe Russia hacked the US election?

What do you think is really going on? Let's get a little political here.

I assume you've all heard of the recent Vermont power grid "hacking" story. A few days ago a Vermont utility company found a russian virus on some guy's computer and (part of) the press extrapolated the fact, turning it into a so-called proof of a Russian conspiracy to hack the US power grid... That title was a fucking clickbait, and I just knew it. But not just your average buzzshit clickbait, a serious fucking one this time. When you read the article it became clear: pure bullshit. No evidence whatsoever, all that happened is that they found a regular virus on a random guy's computer, which happens a million times a day everywhere in the world. A few hours later they retracted, a lot of other sites and agencies stated that there was no such thing as a power grid hack attempt. Those media outlets jumped to conclusions to serve their own agenda, it seems.

Now regarding the "hacking" of the US election. Several US government agencies are claiming it's real. Are we being lied to? Are the FBI and homeland security and others all following orders of a higher instance or do they have actual evidence?
So far, they haven't shared much with the general public. Last week they released a document, which I read, but if you read it too you will find that it's absolutely empty of evidence. All it states is "we found some IP addresses in the logs" and "we found a bit of code that was used before". That amounts to nothing at all.

So why do they keep going on about this?
Do you think these agencies have insights they cant share with the public? could they have informants within the russian goverment? that's one of the few things I can think of that they would never be able to reveal. Or maybe it is just more political bullshit... but what's the point? Trump will take office soon and all this Russia crap isn't working. Apparently Trump has something to say on the subject that he will reveal on tuesday or wednesday. I wonder what that may be.

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See the thing I don't get is how two independent federal agencies can say there's evidence of tampering. I mean, even if it's being overstated/misreported, there HAS to be truth to it, right?...

And yes, I've listened to the Veritas recording, I think it's pretty disguisting that CNN higher-ups are trying to control the narrative with no tangible proof. I could understand it if they had sources they want to keep secret, but this just makes it sound like it's for their own pockets

Tampering with an election isn't that difficult in regards to certain aspects of said election. Ddos a server with a DNC/RNC mailing list, embed a virus into an attachment and send it to a community organizer, hell, beat up the local guy putting up the signs. You've just tampered with the election. What I'd like to see as proof, is actual digital proof of some sort. Not some BS, but stuff that cannot be overlooked by cryptographers and CS analysts.
 

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I'm going to have to disagree there; at least networked media is held to some semblance of a standard, whereas online media can easily be faked with no consequences to the individual writing it. Obviously corruption is a factor, but then it kind of is in anything, and has been since things with monetary value existed
I'm referring to the intercept, reason, mises wire, jacobin, and local outlets which discuss much that the tv does not. I dare someone to find a cable news program better than the National Review (on the conservative side) or Jacobin (on the leftist side)
 
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I'm going to have to disagree there; at least networked media is held to some semblance of a standard, whereas online media can easily be faked with no consequences to the individual writing it. Obviously corruption is a factor, but then it kind of is in anything, and has been since things with monetary value existed
Nah, cable news doesn't have many standards, either. Look at CNN, MSNBC, or Fox News. The bias is very apparent, and all of 'em do some sketch sh*t. The best thing you can do is look at a bunch of different articles from across the spectrum or find very trustable direct sources, like Reuters or AP. You can't trust any big establishment news corp.
 
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it only gets worse, cnn's own van jones says the russia story is just a "nothing burger"



liberals already yelling the same complaints, "it was taken out of context", "it was edited"
 
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My stance with anything connected to the internet is that its almost always being attacked by hackers. So why is it anything special if hacking attempts were made against voting machines? I myself joked about trying to physically hack into voting machines because I noticed that my church was a polling place and they had some voting machines sitting in a room that I could access easily.
 

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Because a relatively small percentage of the population actually likes the results
It depends really as a very large if not the same amount would feel the same about Clinton. That is the issue people forget and to be honest it seems to me that it is one of the flaws that Democrats believe which (hopefully) will hurt them in 2018
 
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I love how It's all bullshit, the FBI and CIA are blatantly lying as ordered by the democrat government is the most voted option. If you think the FBI and CIA are left-biased, you're a fucking Trumpublican moron.

The majority of states voted Trump, and it is only fair that he became president
Except states aren't people and states shouldn't chose the president. The people should. That's a real democracy. Trump's dumbass army of nationalist fuckers seem to hate socialism and communism, but I guess that they don't care that a dictator Authoritarian motherfucker is (trying) to take over.

I still don't get why the right thinks they won. They won all three positions (Senate, Congress, Presidency) yet they still can't revoke LGBT rights, ObamaCare, initiate a Muslim ban, etc. :grog::grog:
 
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Except states aren't people and states shouldn't chose the president. The people should. That's a real democracy.
Except it's not. It's a Constitutional Republic. Always has been. The States themselves are democracies.

Until the Democratic Party accepts the fact that many people feel that they're not being represented by mainstream Washington, they'll continue losing. Cruz, Kasich, Rubio and the like would've been a loss for Republicans. Sanders was the best candidate out of all running period, and they sandbagged him.
 

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Sanders was the best candidate out of all running period, and they sandbagged him.
I agree. The Democrats fucked themselves hard by literally stealing any chance Bernie had at getting the Democratic nomination thinking that Hillary would be better to go up against Trump. Lmao.
 

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I come from a country that has been at odds with Russia pretty much forever. Russia also has more spies than any of you can imagine and Putin is very untrustworthy, you would not believe the kind of brainwashing done through the news every single day in Russia. Despite all this, no, the idea that Russia hacked the election is ridiculous, so far no proof has been presented, and from what i have gathered, this whole story comes from the claim that russian hackers are the ones, who leaked Hillary's emails. As the emails were confirmed to be real, their origin is irrelevant. This can hardly be called "hacking the election". They make it sound like russian hackers hacked into the computers that were counting votes.
 

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Because a relatively small percentage of the population actually likes the results

Majority did when you remove the illegals. The thing is, it actually is a lot how trump said, there's a silent majority and a very vocal minority. Of course a vocal group also being the losers in the election is going to cause nothing but unending drama, even if it were instead under the best of circumstances.
 

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I still don't get why the right thinks they won. They won all three positions (Senate, Congress, Presidency) yet they still can't revoke LGBT rights, ObamaCare, initiate a Muslim ban, etc
Fwiw Truman went through the same thing since a faction of his party didn't want his changes
 

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I love how It's all bullshit, the FBI and CIA are blatantly lying as ordered by the democrat government is the most voted option. If you think the FBI and CIA are left-biased, you're a fucking Trumpublican moron.


Except states aren't people and states shouldn't chose the president. The people should. That's a real democracy. Trump's dumbass army of nationalist fuckers seem to hate socialism and communism, but I guess that they don't care that a dictator Authoritarian motherfucker is (trying) to take over.

I still don't get why the right thinks they won. They won all three positions (Senate, Congress, Presidency) yet they still can't revoke LGBT rights, ObamaCare, initiate a Muslim ban, etc. :grog::grog:
The reason why the electoral college exists is because the United States is a union of multiple states with their own representatives and legislative power which govern themselves, overseen by a federal government which is elected by said states to oversee the union. The United States are not a democracy, they're a Republic. You can't have states on each coast dictate the law to all of the states in-between the coasts because what's beneficial to coastal states may not be beneficial to mainland states - they have completely different economical, social and geopolitical woes. Just because the coastal states have a higher population doesn't mean that they get to choose what happens in mainland states. Take a look at the election map:

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You must be joking if you think it'd be even remotely fair for Clinton to take the win - she lost in a landslide.
Agree on the states thing.
In most of europe one person is one election vote and thats it.
And tbh,I feel like thats more fair.
Except that's not the case. Think of the US in terms of the European Union - citizen states choose representatives *for their own government*, they get to choose who represents *them* in Brussels, however they have no influence on the legislature enacted *across the whole union* or who is going to represent *other states*, only the representatives do. It's the EU parliment that decides who will take the seat of the head of the parliment, not the citizens of the member states. It's not a 100% accurate analogy as the EU isn't an equivalent of the United States, but it shows the principle.
 

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@Foxi4 I really don't care what's done is done but if most people dont or even better cant vote it doesnt help either ;) Add to that promises that sound good and you obviously can "easily" win a presidantial election.

And to the topic i think "somebody" tampered with the election but thats far away from what the mainstream media is talking about right now.
The real issue imo is that someone like Trump just dont want to hear anything about it or then his hilarious twitter rants (going so far to fire people because of it).
Why not just get over it and its fine (except he may know something that doesn't let him look good in the public ^^) instead intervening.
 
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