Hacking [Poll] Bans and "send information about the console to Nintendo"

:-infern: · May 27, 2017

Smea has a homebrew enabled 3DS, does not use FreeShop (so no piracy) and he isn't banned.

My guess is that its cause of the piracy, purchased games are being checked on eShop, Cart headers examined.

It was bound to happen, pirates deserve it, though its not like 3DS online was useful anyway

Lumince · May 27, 2017

:-infern: said:
Smea has a homebrew enabled 3DS, does not use FreeShop (so no piracy) and he isn't banned.

My guess is that its cause of the piracy, purchased games are being checked on eShop, Cart headers examined.

It was bound to happen, pirates deserve it, though its not like 3DS online was useful anyway

Im not banned

Its just spotpass and streetpass sending them what homebrew you are using :rofl2:

SirByte · May 27, 2017

Skull Kiddo said:
Also, there are physical versions, and those aren't really linked to the eShop.

Carts are different, they have their own cart-unique header (that is why Gateway players that use a "public header" get banned); perhaps they now also check to see if the header was issues for the game in question.

That being said, let's take a step back and review the situation, considering you have a "hacked" 3DS and a separate 3DS on OFW etc. for eshop purchases, etc. It's not wise to spend $400+ on eshop purchases over the years and then do stuff that might p*** Ninty off and have them retaliate against you. So have a street-legal system with your "old" NNID and purchases, and a hack system with a burner NNID and no purchases.

Now what does a ban do to you?

1. Cartridges
They'll work as always.

2. eShop/CIAs
You can download and install titles, DLC and updates unofficially the same way as before.

3. Updates
Don't know if you are also banned from installing firmware updates, but if you are, all we need is an updated version of SafeInstaller and you can upgrade to any new firmware Nintendo puts out.

4. Online play
This is where the real problem lies. Do we really want to 'fully hack' access to the official Nintendo servers? I think not. The people that used to have Sony PSPs may remember the same problem. Coldbird and the PRO firmware team came up with a way to use (an) unofficial server(s). Perhaps that's the way to go. Since B9S/sighax allows for CFW, perhaps a "pro online plugin" will take care of online play. You can only play against other "pro online" players, but there seem to be enough banned people around nowadays to make this viable. I mean, if your 3DS is perma-banned, anything is better than nothing.

5. Streetpass etc. (Ad-Hoc Mode stuff)
Same as 4. Not sure how damaging a hack would be (so you can interact with people with non-banned systems like usual) but perhaps this can be customized as well. Anything that doesn't require an active Internet connection we should be able to circumvent any bans unless Ninty starts distributing large blacklists.

MrReal · May 27, 2017

Maybe in the future it could be possible to mask CFW to make it appear legitimate kind of like Magisk hides root on Android. Or at least make the homebrew apps appear as legit apps such as settings or Activity Log.

Wuigi · May 27, 2017

@Aurora Wright Can you show a quick summary of the results of the new poll?
Are there plans to suppress sending any data showing homebrew usage to nintendo in Luma3DS?

Zaphod77 · May 27, 2017

I appear to be not banned yet.

I have NOT disabled telemetry, but do NOT have a NNID.

I DO have unauthorized cias on the home menu, so i may be on borrowed time already.

i have NOT played online, except to check my ban status.

I do not care if I get banned, since it doesn't prevent me from playing anything i am interested in.

What's the best way for a no NNID system to check ban status without going online with a game?

My advice for those who don't want to get banned.

1) disable spotpass and street pass completely. (send information to nintendo) CHECK AFTER EVERY BOOT TO BE SURE.
2) download CIAs using your PC from trusted sources, and try to avoid freeshop
3) do not create a NNID.
4) do not play online, except with legit stuff.
5) leave wi-fi off, except when you must have it on.
6) if you must create a NNID, use a clean system for it.

Kumayatsu · May 27, 2017

Kumayatsu said:
So far...

Both settings turned off on 4 units.

3 units offline, 1 unit online for testing for ripples from the ban bot.

Currently not banned. Initially checked if I was banned 12 hours ago, have confirmed again no ban (yet)

I will update further as needed.

Edit: update

2 units offline, 2 units on. Both online units are not banned (yet).

Update 2:

All four consoles still not banned.

KipMudz · May 28, 2017

I don't know if this is allowed but I'm cross posting my post from another thread.

I'm currently conducting an experiment with my o3DS with formatted SysNAND and H&S app restored. On its previous NAND, I've done all possible stuff that can be done on a CFW'ed unit like CIA installation, ROM hacks, save conversion, FreeShop access, etc. A NNID was also linked on its previous NAND. Before the ban wave started, this unit is turned off because I'm busy with my n3DS (not connected to the hotspot since the password change few weeks ago) and PC. I only turned it on for the sake of this experiment.

With this experiment, I want to see if Ninty is now able to detect CFW installation even without unauthorized CIAs and tampered saves are installed on this unit.

All forms of telemetry are enabled in order to expose this unit to all possible causes of ban.

Information about my experimental o3DS:

Status:
Not yet banned

System:
Old 3DS from 2012

Current firmware version:
11.4.0-34U SysNAND only

Current CFW installed:
Luma 3DS 7.0.5 on A9LH

CFW installation history:
-Downgraded SysNAND to 9.2 for MenuHax+RXTools
-Installed A9LH before Plailect's guide was made and used Cakes then AuReiNAND/Luma
-Installed B9S+Luma 3DS 7.1 last week
-Reflashed a formatted 9.2 backup with A9LHv1 installed via hardmod beacuse I flashed my n3DS backup by mistake

Homebrew apps installed:
None

Game backups installed:
None

Games tested:
MK7 (Cartridge), Pokemon Moon (Cartridge) and Mii Plaza

Online activities performed (in chronological order):
-Updated the flashed 9.2 backup to 11.4 using System Settings
-Linked a newly created NNID on this unit
-Downloaded the update files for MK7, Pokemon Moon and Mii Plaza on eShop
-Had two rounds of race in MK7
-4 wonder trades on Pokemoon
-Downloaded one of free games in Mii Plaza
-I don't know if it counts but I left the unit on sleep mode with spotpass enabled before I slept
-When I woke up, I checked the friends list and can still connect online
-Another 3 wonder trades on Pokemoon

15 hours (at the time of this writing) later and still not yet banned. After 24 hours, I will perform the same experiment on my n3DS.

BARNWEY · May 28, 2017

Wuigi said:
@Aurora Wright Can you show a quick summary of the results of the new poll?
Are there plans to suppress sending any data showing homebrew usage to nintendo in Luma3DS?

You can literally do that yourself in the settings. Luma doesn't need to do that for you...

Nincompoopdo · May 28, 2017

BARNWEY said:
You can literally do that yourself in the settings. Luma doesn't need to do that for you...

How can one be sure that turning all the options off in Spotpass will denied any data sent to Nintendo?

It could be a trick to give a false sense of security.

BARNWEY · May 28, 2017

Nincompoopdo said:
How can one be sure that turning all the options off in Spotpass will denied any data sent to Nintendo?

It could be a trick to give a false sense of security.

I think you're overthinking it just a tad...

jimmyj · May 28, 2017

Aurora Wright said:
Please vote here now: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5928430ce4b0b05216c475e9 . It's more comprehensive and it includes the other likely option

Ciao Aurora! I got banned while I was getting a legit Pokémon mystery gift with the real cartridge and had both options turned on. Even though I got banned and I am sad I want to tell you that you are doing a great job on everything and I would like to thank you for everything you have done :yay3ds:

nyder · May 28, 2017

Not banned on my 2 consoles.

My 2DS had everything turned on (turned off since then), keep trying stuff online to see if it gets banned. Wasn't using much before B9S came out and was on Gateway. Now it's B9S-Luma 7.1 with the 11.2 firmware named as 11.4

My N3DS had everything turned off, is my main console I play all the time, but don't go online much. (wifi is on though). Was GW before I installed the B9S & Luma 7.1. with 11.4 firm.

So my 2DS had the potential to get banned, but I wasn't using it much, so if there was a ban wave, I probably missed it. But whatever, still trying to see what happens. Not tripping if I get banned, playing online on pirated games is a bonus, because normally in most scenes it doesn't work that way.

adding more: I use freeshop all the time on both consoles, but didn't have it on the 2DS till I did the update.

YourHero · May 28, 2017

I had it enabled and just disabled it, but my 3DS has been off for a good 2 months. Maybe that avoided it, no idea. My unit went online in MH4U the other day tho.

3 other 3DS units, non NEW are also not banned and they go online often, and are on outdated luma A9LH still.

Sumea · May 28, 2017

My few cents:
Using N3DS normal sized console, online has been almost always on, as is spotpass. Spotpass even activated for some... Less legitimite games.
I have done crazy stuff I have a badge arcade ban, deserved that as much as I would probably deserve a online ban but I just don't want one.
Few is activating spot pass in Japanese games on European console, playing Nintendo's 3DS Mahjong game that is F2P, Online, witch NNID that is my European NNID, and yet, not banned.

Freeshop usage:
Yes, last download happened ~3 weeks ago
Do I own legit game purchases from eShop:
Yes, quite a few and when possible I redownload my legit stuff from eShop too.
Played Online with pirated games:
Yes, but can't tell how much long it has been since, as precaution I tested my ban situation now by checking friends list and then booting my cartridge of smash brothers, which is legit, yes.
Send information to nintendo:
Anything I own legitimitely I think I allowed it, anything I don't I always disabled it, as well as Badge arcade I did not enable the data sent because I was having fun cheating in it until the Romans came home to lay justice.

I would say I have always had that slight caution in back of my brain. I also was careful with pokemon leaks and I have not played Pokemon online at all even after it's release date and all. Heck, I actually removed it and I have not played Sun almost at all.
I have a LOT of friends to survey on this too, now. I think there is a right track. One thing I was personally thinking was eShop access from consoles with freeshop that did not have ANY legit game purchases but I would think Freeshop does not disclose console specific information at all.

All in all, I said as much, if I get banned I deserve it but as long as I can, I want to avoid that ban. I am a gray customer I have lots of legitimite games which I still want to play to their full extent and my funding allows me to comfortably have just one console it would be hassle to have multiples of a portable game console where I have games I want to play with friends, locally, online etc.

Edit:
I never even knew about the internet settings about sending console information over spotpass: This has been ENABLED for me, until today.

GizmoTheGreen · May 28, 2017

Sumea said:
My few cents:
[shortened..]
All in all, I said as much, if I get banned I deserve it but as long as I can, I want to avoid that ban. I am a gray customer I have lots of legitimite games which I still want to play to their full extent and my funding allows me to comfortably have just one console it would be hassle to have multiples of a portable game console where I have games I want to play with friends, locally, online etc.

so same boat as me then
it's so annoying that this does NOTHING to stop piracy all it does is piss of people that want to play online in games they BOUGHT :/

Quantumcat · May 28, 2017

GizmoTheGreen said:
so same boat as me then
it's so annoying that this does NOTHING to stop piracy all it does is piss of people that want to play online in games they BOUGHT :/

If you have cartridges you can use those in another system. If you have digital games, you can do a system transfer to a stock console.

GizmoTheGreen · May 28, 2017

Quantumcat said:
If you have cartridges you can use those in another system. If you have digital games, you can do a system transfer to a stock console.

so it forces you to buy a second console for each region. one of the reasons I installed CFW to being with, ease of use region free. that said I already have 3 consoles, one old and 2 "new" that are running Luma3DS 7.1 with b9s.

not to mention I have to tell all my friends to add a new friendcode. :/

telon22 · May 28, 2017

Is there anyone here who got banned during the leaked sun/moon cia online ban wave(with both nnid & online play banned),and then used a PRIVATE LFCS to unban online ban and were banned again now in this current piracy bans?
PS- I was one of them and I am not banned.

nccom · May 28, 2017

GizmoTheGreen said:
piss of people that want to play online in games they BOUGHT :/

99% of pirates haven't bought most/all of the games that they pirated so its not a problem.
Also I just don't understand why everybody expects some way to use online on hacked system. Sony, MS, PC/Steam will not allow that and will ban your account/console forever, now Nintendo uses the same method and everybody is surprised? Just buy a clear legit system and play your original games on it if you have them.

Hacking [Poll] Bans and "send information about the console to Nintendo"

Were you banned, and did you have this option enabled?

I have it enabled and was banned

I have it enabled and was NOT banned

I have it disabled and was banned

I have it disabled and was NOT banned

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