US congress repeal internet privacy laws

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So what the hell do we do, do we all go to VPNs, and other potentially shady/illegal methods to circumvent ISPs collecting data? I can say to Comcast, "go to hell" and they can't do anything about it. I hate the government, esp. big government like this. Because right now, it's probably inevitable that it'll be signed in to law, despite how many times we write our congressmen, gah, I just want to scream in their faces. Fucking stupid politicians. :angry::hateit:

Almost every state PUC (Public utility commission) in the country already has authority to regulate ISP data collection and does so. They lose that authority if the FCC takes it over.

It's a four month old regulation, being repealed as a check on the FCC who is no saint or friend to privacy or other freedoms in general. This law creates NOTHING new. It's getting rid of a 4 MONTH OLD REGULATION on the basis the FCC should not be the one with that authority. The sky is not falling.
 

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Almost every state PUC (Public utility commission) in the country already has authority to regulate ISP data collection and does so. They lose that authority if the FCC takes it over.

It's a four month old regulation, being repealed as a check on the FCC who is no saint or friend to privacy or other freedoms in general. This law creates NOTHING new. It's getting rid of a 4 MONTH OLD REGULATION on the basis the FCC should not be the one with that authority. The sky is not falling.

Meaning what though? That doesn't exactly make this all the more reassuring TBH. It still scares the hell out of me.
 

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Meaning what though? That doesn't exactly make this all the more reassuring TBH. It still scares the hell out of me.

The regulation being repealed is from December '16 that's four months ago, given the lengthy grace period before this stuff is enforced/enacted (6mo-1yr generally) you know how long you had these so called protections from the FCC. Never. At no time have you been protected by these rules or have they been enforced, implemented or been used.

This repeal of a regulation is not deciding what is being regulated, it's about who is going to do the regulating.

Here's the inside baseball on it, Obama pulled a unilateral decision that it would be the FCC regulating and the senate is saying fuck that, we will do the regulating via law.

That's all that is happening here, net change is ZERO.

If you think the FCC should do it fine with me.
If you don't think the FCC should be the one to do it fine with me.


But that is the only thing actually being legislated here.
 

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The regulation being repealed is from December '16 that's four months ago, given the lengthy grace period before this stuff is enforced/enacted (6mo-1yr generally) you know how long you had these so called protections from the FCC. Never. At no time have you been protected by these rules or have they been enforced, implemented or been used.

This repeal of a regulation is not deciding what is being regulated, it's about who is going to do the regulating.

Here's the inside baseball on it, Obama pulled a unilateral decision that it would be the FCC regulating and the senate is saying fuck that, we will do the regulating via law.

That's all that is happening here, net change is ZERO.

If you think the FCC should do it fine with me.
If you don't think the FCC should be the one to do it fine with me.


But that is the only thing actually being legislated here.

So you're saying we shouldn't be losing sleep over this?
 
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So you're saying we shouldn't be losing sleep over this?

I see a conspiracy in everything, I can always find an angle where "they" are trying to fuck the general public. I believe in Bigfoot, Extraterrestrials at the Groom lake facility and the CIA/Bush led assassination of JFK. I am even willing to listen to the arguments of flat earthers, reptilian hollow earth'ers and those who say dinosaurs are a myth perpetrated by "big paleo".

This is a 4 month old rule, that was subject to change at anytime being repealed before it was ever enacted. Not even because they necessarily disagreed with the rule but because they don't want the FCC being the one who enforces it.

I can't find a bigger non-issue than this.
 

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Are you seriously actually buying into the whole "millions voted illegally" thing? Voter registration exists for a reason. And I AM a lower-middle class American, though I doubt you care, since it's easier just to make up a preconceived image of the person you're opposing

Hey, I'm not even from your country and even I know that some states don't require an ID to vote. You just go and vote. (and sure enough, almost all of them are traditionally blue. Gee, wonder why it is like that.) You could even vote twice if you so desired.

Also plase state where I said millions voted illegally, i just said that illegals did indeed vote more than usual because they knew their reign of getting free stuff was coming to an end.
 
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Hey, I'm not even from your country and even I know that some states don't require an ID to vote. You just go and vote. (and sure enough, almost all of them are traditionally blue. Gee, wonder why it is like that.) You could even vote twice if you so desired.

Also plase state where I said millions voted illegally, i just said that illegals did indeed vote more than usual because they knew their reign of getting free stuff was coming to an end.
Okay, since you mentioned that you don't live in the United States I'm not going to be grouchy that you're misinformed (after all I don't know how your system works either) so I'll just inform you.

No you don't need a physical ID to vote in many states, you're right about that. However it is not as simple as me driving to one polling place, voting, then driving to another and doing it again. You still need to be registered to vote in order to do so, and when you are registered you are assigned a polling place and given a voters card. On voting day you go to the place stated on your voters card and you are only allowed to vote there. Once there you give them your name and show them your card so they can verify that it is you. They then look up your name in their list of people assigned to vote at that location and cross your name off before giving you the material to vote.

If you were to then go to a different polling place they would see your card and tell you that you are at the wrong place. In order to vote multiple times, the people at the polling places would have to be extremely incompetent and/or corrupt, or you were able to steal someone else's voters card (you can't easily just forge one because they still need to have your name already in order to cross it out and it isn't printed on regular paper.) I'm not saying that voter fraud doesn't exist, because it does. However it is not in the MILLIONS and it not exclusively used by a particular party.
 
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that is not citation, that is continued citationless assertions. One is registered to vote in only one polling location.
Some cities and towns (big ones) have two or more early voting locations. If you send two people to different stations and pretend to be the same person, they can vote twice.
I don't actually know how it works, because my city has only one early voting location. It's possible city officials will assign each voter to the closest early voting station to their address, eliminating this problem. But I don't know that they actually do this.

If you are a public figure, it's worth it to buy and use VPN service.
Congressmen and senators are not idiots. They know this, and if they don't their party officials will tell them. You are not going to find out about what congressmen and their staff are looking at on the internet. Even if they're stupid and don't use a VPN, their ISPs won't sell their data because they don't want to anger them.
 

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Okay, since you mentioned that you don't live in the United States I'm not going to be grouchy that you're misinformed (after all I don't know how your system works either) so I'll just inform you

No you don't need a physical ID to vote in many states, you're right about that. However it is not as simple as me driving to one polling place, voting, then driving to another and doing it again. You still need to be registered to vote in order to do so, and when you are registered you are assigned a polling place and given a voters card. On voting day you go to the place stated on your voters card and you are only allowed to vote there. Once there you give them your name and show them your card so they can verify that it is you. They then look up your name in their list of people assigned to vote at that location and cross your name off before giving you the material to vote.

If you were to then go to a different polling place they would see your card and tell you that you are at the wrong place. In order to vote multiple times, the people at the polling places would have to be extremely incompetent and/or corrupt, or you were able to steal someone else's voters card (you can't easily just forge one because they still need to have your name already in order to cross it out and it isn't printed on regular paper.) I'm not saying that voter fraud doesn't exist, because it does. However it is not in the MILLIONS and it not exclusively used by a particular party.

31 years old and never had been asked for my voter's registration card once. Neither have they asked for my id. my name is listed on a list and i have to sign next to my name on said list. They used to ask for your last 4 of your ss# too. However too many times the list has been stolen or misplaced. It is very easy for someone to use my name in pa to vote a second time. They have done it before. I got a thank you for voting for obama and trump these last two times n i didn't vote these last two presidential elections
 

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31 years old and never had been asked for my voter's registration card once. Neither have they asked for my id. my name is listed on a list and i have to sign next to my name on said list. They used to ask for your last 4 of your ss# too. However too many times the list has been stolen or misplaced. It is very easy for someone to use my name in pa to vote a second time. They have done it before. I got a thank you for voting for obama and trump these last two times n i didn't vote these last two presidential elections
Did you report that?
 

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Yes. I reported it to city hall as instructed. Was told there was nothing to be done. Once a vote goes through it is too late.
Well then I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not going to deny voter fraud exists, because it obviously does, but it's not a huge issue all the same (as in its statistically insignificant)

On top of that I find it kind of ironic that the person in this case was committing fraud in Trump's favor lol
 
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Well then I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not going to deny voter fraud exists, because it obviously does, but it's not a huge issue all the same (as in its statistically insignificant)

On top of that I find it kind of ironic that the person in this case was committing fraud in Trump's favor lol

I have to agree voter fraud probably happens on a very low scale.
 
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