Developer Playtonic Removes Jontron from Yooka-Laylee Cast

Haloman800 · Mar 24, 2017

Liberals can't refute his arguments, so they resort to name calling "racist! Xenophobe!"

I hope people realize how crooked this is for the developers to cut Jontron out after he helped get it funded, and that these potential customers support them accordingly.

AlanWeird · Mar 24, 2017

As I expected. "SJW. Butthurt. Freedom of speech". All the predictable keyboard-warriorness of GBATemp.

Jafari, pewdiepie et al need to be knocked off their pedestal, as its not a matter of freedom of speech. Its outright hate. People that believe the things they do need to visit Auschwitz. See, feel and know what the Nazis really did. They need education, not the adulation and condoning of their "fans".

Makes it all the worse when its trans, gays and furries who stand up for them. You lot think its alright when you're turned on, en masse?

Playtonic did the sensible thing. Jafari had a good network of friends and contacts, and he's burned all of that now.

rickwj324 · Mar 24, 2017

LoganK93 said:
Why is this guys voice such a major selling point for so many people?

I honestly had no idea who this guy was, never heard of him nor did I know he was voicing a character in this game. Had they not brought attention to it I never would've known. I don't know what he said to offend, but I fail to see how it has anything to do with his performance on the game. Seems silly to me.

sarkwalvein · Mar 24, 2017

AlanWeird said:
As I expected. "SJW. Butthurt. Freedom of speech". All the predictable keyboard-warriorness of GBATemp.

Jafari, pewdiepie et al need to be knocked off their pedestal, as its not a matter of freedom of speech. Its outright hate. People that believe the things they do need to visit Auschwitz. See, feel and know what the Nazis really did. They need education, not the adulation and condoning of their "fans".

Makes it all the worse when its trans, gays and furries who stand up for them. You lot think its alright when you're turned on, en masse?

Playtonic did the sensible thing. Jafari had a good network of friends and contacts, and he's burned all of that now.

I still find compelling the effectiveness of the fake news campaing from WSJ.
Really, people don't read beyond titles and don't do their own research.
I don't know if I feel disappointed or just puzzled.

Foxi4 · Mar 24, 2017

UltraHurricane said:
so what? you think only white people can be autistic or transgender now?

if it's done right and makes for interesting characters why the fuck should that bother you? you keep saying you're ok with diversity but you're so hostile by the very idea of a poc character being autistic or transgender (these people do exist btw) that i have a hard time believing you do

seriously, what the fuck is acceptable diversity to you? cause i honestly don't feel like your criteria is something that would be satisfying or even acceptable to people that aren't like you

This isn't a thread about Overwatch, you would do it a great service if you stopped circling back to it. That, and I've made myself painfully clear - I mean diversity that comes about naturally and isn't an attempt at appeasing a mob of social justice by inventing and serving stereotypes. We have a word for that, it's "token characters". That's as descriptive as it gets, there's plenty of games out there that do it well without the characters being walking representations of the singular trait they're supposed to represent. I was fine with the cast until its "diversity soup" was spoon-fed to me in the form of "lore" - I didn't need it hammered in. As you've probably noticed, I don't particularly like being treated like a child.

of course they do, but you only think we should be accepting of intolerant people cause likely you're never been the target of said intolerance, if we really want to treat them fairly, they should not be absolved of criticism if the ideas they project are bigoted and harmful, if they're gonna be brazen enough say that, they should nut up and take all the shit that comes their way

do i need to bring up the Karl Popper quote again? i feel like you just ignored it

Once again, "I am tolerant towards everybody, unless they're different, in which case I'll kill them". You appealing to someone else's authority is not helping your case, we're all individuals equal under the law. You don't get to pick and choose who gets protected and who doesn't. I never said that stances you find offensive to your sensibilities shouldn't be challenged, however - on the contrary, you're more than welcome to engage in dialogue with just about anyone in a civil society. Y'know, dialogue. That's when you exchange ideas instead of surrounding someone with torches and pitchforks because you don't like the things they're saying. Any less would open the doors to massive social injustices, as I could find what you're saying offensive and go after your livelihood. It is generally not wise to load a gun that can be very easily aimed at yourself. If you value freedom of speech, expression, association etc., if you promote free and independent thought, then you must necessarily encompass everyone within the scope of said rights and accept the fact that no matter what you do, not everyone will agree with you 100% of the time. The only way to actual freedom is to accept that notion as a given, and I think deep down we all know it to be true.

jimbo13 · Mar 24, 2017

LoganK93 said:
Why is this guys voice such a major selling point for so many people?

It's not that it was a "major selling point" it's people dislike someone being discriminated against and publicly fired for having a perfectly reasonable viewpoint.

They want to make a public spectacle of not supporting someone for rejecting Globalism? Fine many people who feel the opposite will make a public spectacle of not buying their POS SJW-Platformer. The response to using a disenfranchisement is to disenfranchise in-kind. Fuck them and I hope it becomes so politically tinged (Since they chose that route) that no one will touch it including Nintendo.

Buying Yooka-laylee means you support terrorism, communism and mandatory gender re-assignment surgery for toddlers. You probably have blue hair and myopia that requires obnoxious hipster glasses. Playing Yooka-layelee means you Snap your fingers and/or use Jazz-hands instead of clapping to avoid triggering feminist.

And why the fuck is the protagonist doing the ISIS Salute? I am telling my 3 employees if they buy this POS or caught playing it I will fire them.

Buying Yooka-laylee means you deserve to be fired.

eworm · Mar 24, 2017

AlanWeird said:
Jafari, pewdiepie et al need to be knocked off their pedestal, as its not a matter of freedom of speech. Its outright hate. People that believe the things they do need to visit Auschwitz. See, feel and know what the Nazis really did. They need education, not the adulation and condoning of their "fans".

I agree with most of JonTron's views on the matter and I'm a Pole. I live in a city with a concentration camp in it, now a museum doing exactly the kind of education you call for. Believe me, I know what Nazis did - and it was not "preserving own cultural heritage by limiting immigration to reasonable levels", which is what JonTron wants. And don't tell me race and culture is completely different, because those are very much tied together. Not the same, absolutely not, but related.

sarkwalvein · Mar 24, 2017

jimbo13 said:
It's not that it was a "major selling point" it's people dislike someone being discriminated against and publicly fired for having a perfectly reasonable viewpoint.

They want to make a public spectacle of not supporting someone for rejecting Globalism? Fine many people who feel the opposite will make a public spectacle of not buying their POS SJW-Platformer. The response to using a disenfranchisement is to disenfranchise in-kind.

Fuck them and I hope it becomes so politically tinged (Since they chose that route) that no one will touch it including Nintendo.

Buying Yooka-laylee means you support terrorism, communism and mandatory gender re-assignment surgery for toddlers. You probably have blue hair and myopia that requires obnoxious hipster glasses and you Snap your fingers and or use Jazz-hands instead of clapping to avoid triggering feminist.

And why the fuck is the protagonist doing the ISIS Salute?

Sorry, I am really against the decision from Playtonic and I don't have much of an interest for the game.
But anyway I am calling your post utter and complet bullshit.
It doesn't even make sense.
Are you longing so much to be taken as a clown and lose respect from your peers?

Foxi4 · Mar 24, 2017

sarkwalvein said:
Sorry, I am really against the decision from Playtonic and I don't have much of an interest for the game.
But anyway I am calling your post utter and complet bullshit.
It doesn't even make sense.
Are you longing so much to be taken as a clown and lose respect from your peers?

I found it quite humorous. He's proposing an absurd scenario to satirise and mock the subject, and I'm okay with that. Frankly, I don't even know why Playtonic funded 9/11, they had nothing to gain from it. I think they just wanted to see the world burn.

UltraHurricane · Mar 24, 2017

Foxi4 said:
Once again, "I am tolerant towards everybody, unless they're different, in which case I'll kill them". You appealing to someone else's authority is not helping your case, we're all individuals equal under the law. You don't get to pick and choose who gets protected and who doesn't. I never said that stances you find offensive to your sensibilities shouldn't be challenged, however - on the contrary, you're more than welcome to engage in dialogue with just about anyone in a civil society. Y'know, dialogue. That's when you exchange arguments instead of surrounding someone with torches and pitchforks because you don't like the things they're saying. Any less would open the doors to massive social injustices, as I could find what you're saying offensive and go after your livelihood. It us generally not wise to load a gun that can be very easily aimed at yourself.

you're forgetting one thing thou

i never once said that i wanted to physically harm anyone one i disagreed with

and i'm not really wishing any harm come to people like Jontron, but when anything actually does happen to them i shouldn't be faulted for not wanting to muster up any respect or sympathy for them for spouting ideals meant to dehumanize others with very harmful endgoals, so pardon my phrasing... but they're asking for it

Greymane · Mar 24, 2017

whether you like it or not, no matter if it is fair or not, actions have consequences.

RemixDeluxe · Mar 24, 2017

Just reading this story at a glance I laughed and could care less that some youtube celebrity was removed from the game.

However after reading the full story I believe it was wrong for Playtonic to have removed Jon from the game. This doesn't violate the first amendment but I believe this also doesn't violate whatever contract was set in place between Jon and Playtonic. The most painful part of this is knowing how much of a fan Jon is of the old Rare, he must of really be crestfallen over this.

I've backed the kickstarter since the very first day of it's campaign and if it weren't the case I'd pirate it. It's not censorship but this is just as bad if it was.

Foxi4 · Mar 24, 2017

UltraHurricane said:
you're forgetting one thing thou

i never once said that i wanted to physically harm anyone one i disagreed with

and i'm not really wishing any harm come to people like Jontron, but when anything actually does happen to them i shouldn't be faulted for not wanting to muster up any respect or sympathy for them for spouting ideals meant to dehumanize others with very harmful endgoals, so pardon my phrasing... but they're asking for it

Well, if you wished harm upon them that would just make you a brute, I specifically mentioned a civil society to establish that we're all civil. Whether someone is "asking for it" or not is pretty inconsequential. It brings the recent "Punch a Nazi" shitstorm to mind, when people genuinely cheered when a man was physically assaulted, and not once, but twice, and in broad daylight. The fact that he's a terrible person aside, he shouldn't be assaulted because we don't like what he has to say and we shouldn't celebrate our descent into barbarism. If his ideology is truly flimsy then fight it on the ideological battlefield, not with your fists. To quote Winston Churchill, "the fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists".

UltraHurricane · Mar 24, 2017

eworm said:
Believe me, I know what Nazis did - and it was not "preserving own cultural heritage by limiting immigration to reasonable levels", which is what JonTron wants. And don't tell me race and culture is completely different, because those are very much tied together. Not the same, absolutely not, but related.

then you do know that all that talk of "Germany first" and "preserving own cultural heritage" was a means of gaining support and getting people on their side right? all that nationalistic fluff had an end goal ya know

jimbo13 · Mar 24, 2017

UltraHurricane said:
then you do know that all that talk of "Germany first" and "preserving own cultural heritage" was a means of gaining support and getting people on their side right? all that nationalistic fluff had an end goal ya know

That's about as stupid as saying we can't drive because Hitler pioneered freeways and the volkswagen.

Wanting to live in a homogeneous society is not racism.
Rejecting Multiculturalism is not racism.

But keep calling everyone Nazi's and eventually they will say, "You win" as they shove you to a oven.

eworm · Mar 24, 2017

UltraHurricane said:
then you do know that all that talk of "Germany first" and "preserving own cultural heritage" was a means of gaining support and getting people on their side right? all that nationalistic fluff had an end goal ya know

You're right, JonTron is clearly doing all of this to eventually lead people on a killing spree against Mexicans. It's so obvious!

Look, I get being wary about "goals" behind people's actions, but you're getting ridiculous. This is a guy stating his opinion. When JonTron reviews a game and claims it sucks, do you suspect he wants to run the company behind the game to the ground, wishing all game designers behind it a painful death? Or do you suspect he wants to encourage good game design decisions instead of bad ones?

Handing a poor man cash just may lead to him buying a gun and shooting a bunch of people. Does that mean helping poor people is evil? Every decision can potentially have horrible consequences - that doesn't mean we should make no decisions about anything and not discuss doing anything, ever.

UltraHurricane · Mar 24, 2017

jimbo13 said:
That's about as stupid as saying we can't drive because Hitler pioneered freeways and the volkswagen.

Wanting to live in a homogeneous society is not racism.
Rejecting Multiculturalism is not racism.

But keep calling everyone Nazi's and eventually they will say, "You win" as they shove you to a oven.

why is multiculturalism bad thou?

Foxi4 · Mar 24, 2017

eworm said:
You're right, JonTron is clearly doing all of this to eventually lead people on a killing spree against Mexicans. It's so obvious!

Look, I get being wary about "goals" behind people's actions, but you're getting ridiculous. This is a guy stating his opinion. When JonTron reviews a game and claims it sucks, do you suspect he wants to run the company behind the game to the ground, wishing all game designers behind it a painful death? Or do you suspect he wants to encourage good game design decisions instead of bad ones?

Handing a poor man cash just may lead to him buying a gun and shooting a bunch of people. Does that mean helping poor people is evil? Every decision can potentially have horrible consequences - that doesn't mean we should make no decisions about anything and not discuss doing anything, ever.

Nazi is the new Commie, that's just the way it is. Society has invented a new bogeyman because it's safer than ever and feels the collective need to mobilise against a common enemy. In the past it was the Soviets and the Red Scare, yesterday it was terrorists, tomorrow it'll be somebody new. It's just the wheels of history turning, you can't stop that.

Clydefrosch · Mar 24, 2017

he has all the freedom of speech in the world, but the moment he's working with, for or around others, his speech also effects them and they have any right to move away from him.

this has been a thing in public for decades, pretty much forever.

you know you can get fired from your job if you keep spouting stuff your employer doesn't agree with, right?

this here isn't petty, its consequential. and jon only has himself to blame for it.

jimbo13 said:
That's about as stupid as saying we can't drive because Hitler pioneered freeways and the volkswagen.

Wanting to live in a homogeneous society is not racism.
Rejecting Multiculturalism is not racism.

But keep calling everyone Nazi's and eventually they will say, "You win" as they shove you to a oven.

maybe not on its own, on its own, its just wishful thinking and ignoring actual reality.
because heterogenous society is already there. as is multiculturalism. at least in any relevant western country.
but if you want a homogenous society and no multiculturalism and if you actually want actions taken to make those reality, you're pretty much asking for a final solution. in addition to being racist, they are also too stupid to think two steps further. to what their wishes entail and require to happen.

GerbilSoft · Mar 24, 2017

jimbo13 said:
Buying Yooka-laylee means you support terrorism, communism and mandatory gender re-assignment surgery for toddlers. You probably have blue hair and myopia that requires obnoxious hipster glasses. Playing Yooka-layelee means you Snap your fingers and/or use Jazz-hands instead of clapping to avoid triggering feminist.

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