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Developer Playtonic Removes Jontron from Yooka-Laylee Cast

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The developer behind Yooka-Laylee, a Kickstarter-funded spiritual successor to the beloved Banjo-Kazooie series plans to remove the Youtuber Jontron (Jon Jafari) from the game's cast of voice actors via a Day 1 update after his recent series controversial tweets regarding ethnic minorities in America. Jontron was always a big, vocal fan of the series and was invited to collaborate on the project back in February 2015. Many might say that he was pivotal in reviving the interest in Banjo-Kazooie through his content, both on Game Grumps and his own Youtube channel. Playtonic explained their position in an interview with Gameindustry.biz:
"We recently became aware of comments made by voice artist JonTron after development on Yooka-Laylee had been completed (...) JonTron is a talented video presenter who we were initially, two years ago, happy to include as a voice contributor in our game. However, in light of his recent personal viewpoints we have made the decision to remove JonTron's inclusion in the game via a forthcoming content update. We would like to make absolutely clear that we do not endorse or support JonTron's personal viewpoints and that, as an external fan contributor, he does not represent Playtonic in any capacity. Playtonic is a studio that celebrates diversity in all forms and strives to make games that everyone can enjoy. As such, we deeply regret any implied association that could make players feel anything but 100% comfortable in our game worlds, or distract from the incredible goodwill and love shown by our fans and Kickstarter backers."

This recent development in the Jontron controversy raises an important question regarding Free Speech. I can fully understand Playtonic's position - they're distancing themselves from Jontron in order to prevent any damage to their brand. On the other hand, one could argue that Jontron is free to voice his views on his own platform and shouldn't be penalised for them elsewhere.

Naturally this is a very controversial issue, so I'm eager to hear your thoughts on the matter. What's your opinion? Tell us in comments below!

Update: Jontron acknowledged the decision via his Twitter and although he finds it unfortunate, he understands it and wishes the developers a successful launch.

"Unfortunate to see Playtonic remove me from Yooka Laylee, but I understand their decision. I wish them the best with their launch!"

~https://www.twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/845038284967493638

:arrow: Source (Gameindustry.biz)
 

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This right here. I dont see how a bunch of you can still think he's racist. Maybe its just the age or the fact that most people dont really understand what he's trying to say.

he can try to backpeddle and "clarify" his views all he wants, but he makes no attempts at an apology of any kind and it makes this video just come off as arrogant and spineless

he still very much holds these views, he's only shutting up for now because it's hurting his bottomline, it only shows to prove he has no real conviction in what he's saying, hench he's not just racist...

he's a coward
 
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Fascism has nothing to do with the totalitarian attributes people assign to it, it's a soft form of communism. It's a middle ground between capitalism/communism on the economic spectrum. FDR openly praised fascism, as he was using the word correctly. Every President of the modern era would qualify as a fascist on a litmus test.

Also as far as assigning ideology/language rejection of multiculturalism/globalism does not make someone a racist, there is nothing wrong wanting to live within a homogeneous group.

Demonizing those people as racists does not dissuade rejection of globalism, you're actually just expanding the base for racists and giving them common ground with people who have a perfectly reasonable viewpoint. You're not diminishing racism, your mainstreaming it again with your own hatred.
 

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as I said. when used as an insult it has that connotation. whether it is apropos to the original definitions is pedantic and superfluous at this point as you are ignorantly dancing around semantics to keep up with your confirmation bias. As you can see; I have a perfectly cromulent vernacular that parrots my literacy as well. knowing words is fun and TOTALLY makes an opinion superior wouldn't you agree?
Connotations are not different definitions, they're the feelings a word invokes, which I've already pointed out is his purpose in using the smear. Knowing that someone calls another a fascist or a Nazi because of the connotations it carries doesn't make the usage of the word any less idiotic. If you're going to try to sound nuanced, know the garbage you're spouting. If you think any of the words I've used are particularly complicated, maybe your literacy is in question.
 
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I think Freedom of Speech shouldn't protect you from the consequences of what you have said, it should just allow you to say it.

Really? If you just mean consequences other than going to jail or fines from government then what you said makes sense.
 

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I think one thing people forget is that we're on a privately run forum where saying certain things can and will get you banned.

Freedom of speech only goes so far in the real world before there may be consequences.

If I were to unsubscribe from his channel, Im still penalising him in some way....do I not have the right to unsubscribe or does that make me a fascist?
 
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This right here. I dont see how a bunch of you can still think he's racist. Maybe its just the age or the fact that most people dont really understand what he's trying to say.

His statements were quite clear in the original video.

Talking about the importance of a racially homogeneous society and then saying "oh you guys just didn't understand what I was saying" either makes him still a racist or an incredibly confused man.
 
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Last month I reviewed a Kickstarter game called Torment: Tides of Numenera, and I loved it. It had a similar theme of a tormented protagonist, but it didn't try to be literally the same game. Everything about it was new and unique, from the setting to the story and the gameplay mechanics. I don't think your accusation, if it is one, is justified.
Nor are Playtonic trying to make literally the same game and even if they were, people like and buy remakes and ports all the time. For some reason, you hit Playtonic harder for doing the same thing. (When they not really doing so.) People want the game and they want to make it. I don't see the problem. It isn't like they are the only ones doing spiritual revivals.

Either you're accepting diversity or you're shunning those who have a different opinion - you can't do both simultaneously. Perhaps it's not bigoted, but it's definitely close-minded.
Putting this specific moment aside. Should people really be tolerant or open-minded to intolerance?


True diversity doesn't come on a big banner, it's not a big song and dance. I enjoyed the game for what it was and didn't give a shit about whether the characters were male, female, black or even machines and monkeys, I played them because they were fun and cool. By artificially and forcibly injecting a pseudo-narrative, you're spoiling that natural attachment. I didn't need to have my choices justified by a tearful circlejerk over diversity - it's all fake, it's pandering and it's making me sick. It's like a diversity seminar now, or a company programme that aims to reach an X% of employees of a given sex or race, or else the world will end, I guess. I thought Martin Luther King said specifically not to judge people by the colour of their skin, but the content of their character. Well, what are we doing now? We're judging them by the colour of their damned skin again, and for all the wrong reasons. "Please play as this new character, do notice that she's an ethnic minority which should be of interest to you because we're all for inclusiveness". Great, job well done, thanks, Blizzard! You really made a difference.
Why can't you enjoy the game as it is now? Why do you care now? Sounds like you just want to play the game and don't care how the characters are. Why are you so up in arms for something you don't care about? You do realizes that it is all fake, whether they are pandering or not? Why do you care that company is focusing on people you aren't normally or less represented? Enough fans like and want it. It is one thing to not care, but to be angry about it? Not like they are the only ones to touch on stereotype and archetypes. Like does Tracer being a lesbian or Symmetra having autism suddenly not make them fun and cool to play as?
 
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Playtonic probably did more harm than good with this. Jon's fans were going to be a large chunk of the consumers, but thanks to Playtonic going SJWtard, they're going to lose all of Jon's fans.
 
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He said some really shitty things and the company wants to distance themselves from someone who said such stupid shit.

It's not rocket science. You act like an irredeemable prick, you get shafted like one. Freedom of speech ain't freedom from consequence.
 

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The Kickstarter Comments page was a rather interesting read. Obviously, I ignored all comments that were "@Someone" because those are just people arguing blindly with each other, but what was interesting was how level-headed most of the replies asking for refunds were, especially compared to the replies supporting their decision. And also, many who wanted refunds even stated they didn't agree with the socio-political opinions, they felt betrayed that the company brought politics into their game and company.
 
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The only thing I've taken from this thread is that the people who are glad that JonTron was removed are the same people who defend the Switch to the bitter end.
 
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Nor are Playtonic trying to make literally the same game and even if they were, people like and buy remakes and ports all the time. For some reason, you hit Playtonic harder for doing the same thing. (When they not really doing so.) People want the game and they want to make it. I don't see the problem. It isn't like they are the only ones doing spiritual revivals.
Playtonic is making a reskin, there's no doubt in my mind that that's exactly what it is. Both games cash in on nostalgia, it's just that one is a completely original product that's good in and out of itself while the other rides on the former glory of the predecessor, and quite shamelessly at that. We've explored this extensively within this thread already.
Putting this specific moment aside. Should people really be tolerant or open-minded to intolerance?
Yes, because they're people and they deserve the exact same protections as everybody else.
Why can't you enjoy the game as it is now? Why do you care now? Sounds like you just want to play the game and don't care how the characters are. Why are you so up in arms for something you don't care about? You do realizes that it is all fake, whether they are pandering or not? Why do you care that company is focusing on people you aren't normally or less represented? Enough fans like and want it. It is one thing to not care, but to be angry about it? Not like they are the only ones to touch on stereotype and archetypes. Like does Tracer being a lesbian or Symmetra having autism suddenly not make them fun and cool to play as?
Your understanding of my argument is very surface-level, I suggest re-reading it. I'm okay with the characters, I'm not okay with the constant policy of appeasement and the fake "every colour of the rainbow" shtick because I see it for what it is - a shameless attempt at cashing in on the SJW trend. They're not just making a diverse cast - we get that in almost every single video game nowadays. They're making a huge song and dance about it, that's what's bothering me. It's not enough that Symmetra is an ethnic minority, she must also has autism. It's not enough that Tracer is an independent woman and poster girl for the game, she must necessarily be a lesbian. I'm unironically waiting for them to announce that the Russian chick is transgender - it really wouldn't shock me.
 
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You're already wrong right there: fascio just means bundle/group, it has nothing to do with sticks. We're also not discussing fascio; fascism is derived from the word and has its own specific meaning, a sociopolitical one.
I have 5 years of linguistics under my belt so this is hardly a fair fight, but your intensifying efforts to make a complete ass of yourself in public are beginning to annoy me. I assume that the term "colloquial use" is alien to you, so let me introduce you to my good friend the Oxford dictionary:

fascist, noun

1. An advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.

‘he went to Spain to fight against the fascists’

‘Eastern European fascists could win power only with support from the Nazis’


1.1 A person who is extremely right-wing or authoritarian.

‘fascists made death threats against immigrants and asylum seekers’

1.2 A person who is very intolerant or domineering in a particular area.

‘I'm a bit of a spelling fascist, but still have blind spots over words like ‘privilege’ or ‘separate’’

‘if I were being a culinary fascist, I would possibly moan about the overdone cooked tomatoes’

adjective
Relating to fascism

~https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/Fascist
Proposing that society should seek out and punish people for their words (not actions) is authoritarian behaviour that's fascistic and domineering by definition. If you would like to argue that the term was "co-opted", I suggest taking it up with Oxford, not me, you dictionary fascist.

I specifically mentioned the origin of the word to better explain the qualities it encompasses. It appears that this attempt flew over your head, as most things seem to do.
The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio meaning a bundle of Rods, ultimately from the Latin word fasces. This was the name given to political organizations in Italy known as fasci, groups similar to guilds or syndicates and at first applied mainly to organisations on the political Left. In 1919, Benito Mussolini founded the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento in Milan, which became the Partito Nazionale Fascista (National Fascist Party) two years later. The Fascists came to associate the term with the ancient Roman fasces or fascio littorio—a bundle of rods tied around an axe, an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of the civic magistrate carried by his lictors, which could be used for corporal and capital punishment at his command.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I present to you Fig.1, a bundle of sticks tied around an axe:

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I'm calling them sticks because they're made of wood, unless you have reason to suspect that Romans used steel or bronze handles and rods. I'm sure your archaeological skills are on par with your ability to use a dictionary.

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Fig.2, the flag of the National Fascist Party, unsurprisingly featuring a bundle of sticks. Next.
Crimes are by definition punishable by law. The company is not appealing to law; it is exercising its own freedom of association.

Once again your ignorance is showing through your argument. I was sure that Orwell's "1984" was still a required reading, but apparently some people missed that one in school. It most certainly should be, it's a great read. You should try reading, it's good for you. I'll let Wikipedia take it over from here:
A thoughtcrime is an Orwellian neologism used to describe an illegal thought. The term has also been used to describe some theological concepts such as disbelief or idolatry, or a rejection of strong philosophical or social principles. The term was popularized in the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, wherein thoughtcrime is the criminal act of holding unspoken beliefs or doubts that oppose or question the ruling party. In the book, the government attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also the thoughts of its subjects.

~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime
In case you're wondering, today the term is used in reference to penalising people for their opinions or "thoughts", if you will, because of their controversial or offensive nature. They're not actual crimes, it's a figure of speech. Don't worry, you're not the first nor last person neglected by the education system. It's okay, you can come back once you've finished your reading assignment.
Any authoritarian regime operates that way, and authoritarianism does not necessitate fascism. Furthermore, neither the person you quoted nor the company is "destroying" ideas. It is their right to disassociate from those with whose ideas they disagree.
I have never denied them their agency to do so, I stressed this many times throughout the thread. You would know that if you read it, but as you've proven time and again, reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. They're in full creative control over their product and nobody wants to infringe upon their rights. I simply disagree with their decision, I'm free to have an opinion. You're fighting a strawman you've built yourself. Before you ask, it's a metaphorical straw man, not an actual man made out of straw. Would you like me to explain that as well? I'll post it pre-emptively:
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.

~https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Don't worry, there is still hope for you. You can still save face if you cease and desist. I am kind and quick to forget minor infractions.
 

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Nice read, with very descriptive pictures and all. You sure put some effort in that.
Nice read, and I mean it, no sarcasm intended. (it is easy to misunderstand so I make it clear)
 

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Nice read, with very descriptive pictures and all. You sure put some effort in that.
Nice read, and I mean it, no sarcasm intended. (it is easy to misunderstand so I make it clear)
This is the first time I had to explain what a stick is and use not one, but two attachments to show evidence that it is in fact an elongated piece of wood. I don't know how I should feel about that.
 
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Proposing that society should seek out and punish people for their words (not actions) is authoritarian behaviour that's fascistic and domineering by definition. If you would like to argue that the term was "co-opted", I suggest taking it up with Oxford, not me, you dictionary fascist.
As many other people had said int this thread, a private company not wanting to associate themselves with a racist != fascism.
I have 5 years of linguistics under my belt so this is hardly a fair fight, but your intensifying efforts to make a complete ass of yourself in public are beginning to annoy me. I assume that the term "colloquial use" is alien to you, so let me introduce you to my good friend the Oxford dictionary

Don't worry, there is still hope for you. You can still save face if you cease and desist. I am kind and quick to forget minor infractions.
Ok, now you're just being condescending to the guy. You're the only one making a fool of himself here by ignoring all the arguments both him and other people have posted in this thread, repeating yourself and just outright being pedantic.
 
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As many other people had said int this thread, a private company not wanting to associate themselves with a racist != fascism.
You also don't seem to follow the conversation. This whole mess started with a post saying that such punitive action is not only justified, but deserved, to which I replied that this kind of behaviour is called fascism. It's completely unrelated to the main subject at hand.
Ok, now you're just being condescending to the guy. You're the only one making a fool of himself here by ignoring all the arguments both him and other people have posted in this thread and just repeating yourself.
Purposefully so, as he was condescending to me. It's tit for tat. I wasn't particularly interested in continuing this discussion as it's unrelated to the topic, it was him who insisted that we should discuss the definition of fascism for some reason, as if everyone involved was 5 and unfamiliar with the term. That's what's condescending, and I don't have to take it on the chin.
 

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I've come to this thread because I like JonTron's content and actually agree with the guy on his views...

(He basically says white people want to remain the majority in a country where the majority rules - it's not "wrong" or "racist", it's obvious self-preservation)

...but I stayed for Foxi4's posts. That's a fellow Pole I can get behind. Not 100% behind, but about 85% behind, which is still a lot in Internet discussion terms.
 
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