How about we let an experiment decide? Someone goes to #3dsdev, tells everybody there they have installed A9LH and claims they are a hacker now. If they didn't get laughed at they are a hacker alright.
The title of hacker, are you one?
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If you are going to keep repeating yourself with the same copy+paste response then I'm going to ignore you and why do you want me to reiterate what I've already posted in the OP. Was it not clear enough? Just tell me what you disagree with, something more substantial than "omgesh who carzzz" please.
The developer title shouldn't be brought into this. I get extremely outraged when people call themselves developers making the dumbest shit ever. Someone made their own "CFW" in 5 minutes using MFW builder and called themselve a "developer".
Dude, I have hacked multiple consoles and handhelds many times (or rather applied hacks developed by others), yet I have zero clue about hacking. How can anybody call me a hacker?
I think the distinction lies in this: do you comprehend how you did what you did? Or was it just a process you followed with no comprehension of how it worked? I think what OP is getting at is there's a requirement of understanding to go along with the results in order to be respectably called a "hacker".
or, put another way: If you sat beside a hacker, were in an identical system/environment as they, and merely duplicated every keystroke they did, without even looking at the screen, and got the exact same results, would you be a hacker as well? one on equal footing of the one you were copying? OP is arguing you would not be.
or, put another way: If you sat beside a hacker, were in an identical system/environment as they, and merely duplicated every keystroke they did, without even looking at the screen, and got the exact same results, would you be a hacker as well? one on equal footing of the one you were copying? OP is arguing you would not be.
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Well technically you are a hacker, normal users seem to not know what it is to be a hacker/softmodder. A hacker is someone who knows their ways around things whilst a softmodder simply software mods their consoles using already known methods. Now while a softmodder can be considered a hacker and vice-versa I think it should work the way I stated. Now the developer title a completely different thing is simply writing hacks/modifications that either don't exist or are extremely difficult to do.
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Technically I say, I consider you a softmodder whilst most consider you a hacker.
Alright, so if I'm a hacker, what are smealum, marcan, yellows8 et all? Supa hackas? Because I sure as hell am on a complete different level than them.
This has nothing to do with my point. A developer is someone who develops software, exploit, or modifications. You might not like what someone develops, but by definition, they are a developer.
Except you do have a clue about hacking. You don't have a clue about developing.
Hacking's definition: "use a computer to gain unauthorized access to data in a system." By all means, you've achieved this.
Developing: "the process of computer programming documenting, testing, and bug fixing involved in creating and maintaining applications and frameworks resulting in a software product." This is what you haven't achieved.
By definition, you are a hacker. You can believe a hacker is whatever you want. It doesn't change its real definition.
No they are 1337 hackers lol. I consider them developers, I consider people who hardmod, softmod, and make slight modifications to already made mods hackers, and I consider people who use already made mods softmodders. A title is a title and it can easily be changed.
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The person who made that CFW isn't a developer at all. He used another developers creation to make his own without any knowledge of the matter at all.
I suggest you re-read my first response to you and actually address the points I made. You continually rely on strawmanning and putting words in my mouth so you can avoid dealing with what I'm actually saying. If you honestly believe that my argument is, as you said, "omgesh who carzzz", then I don't know what to tell you.
If all you're going to do is attack me and avoid what I have to say, then I have no interest in talking with you. If you ever feel like actually being intellectually honest, then I'd be happy to respond.
Eh, I think a developer is even less awesome than a hacker. A developer is basically just a coder. Someone who develops applications for a system. But without a hacker who opens the system for development, a mere developer is useless.
That is just the glory. These developers, hackers, and softmodders put together make up the community and without them nothing can be done. No developers = no hackers vice versa as well with softmodders. Title is a title and if we all didn't have this title and do what we do nothing would be here today.
is hacking separate from being a hacker? And is hacking:
-the skills required to perform the action
or
-the actions and end-results of the action
-the skills required to perform the action
or
-the actions and end-results of the action
Your first post is literally saying how arbitrary my definition of what a hacker is and how you didnt care. Do I need to quote what you said?
Just tell me what part of what I originally said was so confusing and I'll clear it up for you. I felt it was pretty well understood and most people here dont seem to have trouble with it.
The reason I am not considering people who modify their consoles hackers is because a hacker is someone who can hack into a network etc whilst a softmodder actually soft mods consoles and systems. The developers help the hackers and softmodders achieve the goals they need and most of the time the hacker is also a developer.
I never said that anything you wrote was confusing (putting words in mouth again, as usual), and you're still refusing to actually address any of the points I made, even when you just quoted them! In case you can't read, I asked you three questions, and also prompted you to justify your definition and its use.
If you're not going to address any of what I said and asked, then I'm done
Alright, I have asked @yifan_lu and smea on twitter if they would call me a hacker if I apply hacks developed by others without actual hacking knowledge. They will probably not answer, in which case they think I'm no hacker.
People are getting confused on the definition between hacker and developer.
-A hacker is someone who accesses data they're not supposed to. By applying a hack (CFW, homebrew, etc...), you by definition are a hacker.
-A developer is someone who develops software.
-Exploit/homebrew developers are the people like smea, who develop (keyword develop!) the hacks for the devices. All exploit/homebrew developers are hackers, but not all hackers are exploit/homebrew developers.
Anyone who applies a hack is a hacker. Anyone who develops a hack is both a hacker and a developer. This is why the people who develop the hacks usually prefer to go by the dev title. It separates them from the people who just apply the hacks. Hopefully this clears things up.
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