Michel Ancel finds "lost" Rayman SNES game

Heran Bago · Oct 25, 2016

Pictures 2 and 3 are bizarrely clear. I mean it's possible he's playing it over RGB on a CRT considering its european and all, but still unusual.

plyscho · Oct 25, 2016

smf said:
The adaptor might have it's own lock out chip built in, which is all the second cartridge is for. Or the SNES might have the lockout disabled. The import adaptors don't usually allow the lock out chip in the import cartridge from communicating with the SNES, which would mean that the SNES wouldn't have access to a lock out chip on that ray man pcb. So there has to be something going on.

It looks like this one, I don't read german.....

https://www.konsolenkost.de/snes-import-adapter-super-key-super-adaptor-2412rs-gebraucht/a-1017915/

If it is that one then it doesn't even have a slot on the back for another cartridge and according to a quick google search it may have it's own lockout chip built it (i.e. something like SuperCIC).

Your train of thought about the lock out chip seems logical to me.

And yeah, it looks like this one. There doesn't seem to be a lot of info about it, but it seems you are right. I didn't even know such a thing existed. Very cool!

From what I can say, your observations are correct and the mystery is solved. It's a Super Key Super Adapter with built in lock out chip + Ray Man PCB (NTSC?) + PAL SNES.

Jack Daniels · Oct 25, 2016

Heran Bago said:
Pictures 2 and 3 are bizarrely clear. I mean it's possible he's playing it over RGB on a CRT considering its european and all, but still unusual.

it's excactly as clear as i remember mr. nutz to be on my snes when 1 had a grundig ctr tv 50 cm screen (flattened glass). so seems alright to me.. by the way i used to use an unofficial scart cable...

smf · Oct 25, 2016

plyscho said:
It's a Super Key Super Adapter with built in lock out chip + Ray Man PCB (NTSC?) + PAL SNES.

You can't tell which region the Ray Man PCB is, Ubisoft is European but they may have been designing the game for the overseas market first. The Pal SNES only came out in 1992 which is around the time this was abandoned (2016 minus "24 years sleeping") and it moved to the Jaguar.

plyscho · Oct 26, 2016

smf said:
You can't tell which region the Ray Man PCB is, Ubisoft is European but they may have been designing the game for the overseas market first. The Pal SNES only came out in 1992 which is around the time this was abandoned (2016 minus "24 years sleeping") and it moved to the Jaguar.

As I wrote the PCB is probably NTSC (which Japan and the USA use).

But on second thought, it could also be this setup: Super Key Super Adapter with built in lock out chip + Ray Man PCB (PAL) + PAL SNES. Which brings us back to "the adapter might not do a lot".

gamesquest1 · Oct 26, 2016

wellll technically the PCB is region free, its just the lockout chip that defines the region....but now thats just me being a tit arguing over semantics despite your statement being obvious

but yeah if it was a pal proto cart he could have just put it in the console with no adapter, but i get what you mean he may just have been using the adapter to avoid having the pcb jammed in the door and risk having anything break it may even be that the chips were socketed and it wouldn't fit in properly without a lil adapter we couldn't really know without looking at the other side to see what CIC chip is on the cart

i really wish dev's would share a more similar stance as volition with dealing with unreleased titles/beta games and have them shared by their own volition rather than having to rely on someone finding a old dev system years down the line and having to leak it or worse it just being lost forever, i mean releasing a beta/alpha game for a dead system years after it was made is hardly going to do them any harm, it really just pleases their fans who want to have a better look at how their favorite franchises came to be or see "what could have been", these kinds of things have always interested me, while sharing snippets of footage from these things is better nothing, i would love to be able to have a play myself

Sonic Angel Knight · Oct 26, 2016

I'm not gonna lie, this is starting to sound like that Dark Void Zero game capcom has.

Some how perhaps it be nice if maybe the game could be finished and released on Virtual console, perhaps?

gamesquest1 · Oct 26, 2016

or project dream that the rare devs were teasing they have a beta version of....or the original conker game, or dinosaur planet, rare sure love to tease their fans, would be cool if there could be a big beta/alpha dump game release.....like rare replay, but basically just a big fat ol' pile of beta's and stuff from various companies....that would be pretty cool and devs will finally have a legitimate excuse for shipping unfinished games

CathyRina · Oct 26, 2016

Trolling said:
That's right, Rayman Legends was the last game on consoles. Nowadays Rayman has become an Mobile exclusive title with zero love given from Ubisoft.

The Rayman Mobile games are awesome though.

RedoLane · Oct 27, 2016

Saiyan Lusitano · Oct 27, 2016

Ubisoft could do the favour and make a limited batch of SNES copies of Rayman. That would be pretty awesome.

Jyssa · Oct 28, 2016

Amazing !

smf · Oct 28, 2016

gamesquest1 said:
i really wish dev's would share a more similar stance as volition with dealing with unreleased titles/beta games and have them shared by their own volition rather than having to rely on someone finding a old dev system years down the line and having to leak it or worse it just being lost forever, i mean releasing a beta/alpha game for a dead system years after it was made is hardly going to do them any harm, it really just pleases their fans who want to have a better look at how their favorite franchises came to be or see "what could have been", these kinds of things have always interested me, while sharing snippets of footage from these things is better nothing, i would love to be able to have a play myself

And I wish that Lambourghini would just give a car to every person in the world... Of course then we'd all hate Lambourghini's because they are expensive to run, difficult to park and catch on fire.

When there is a buzz around an unreleased game then it's free publicity for the developer, once they release it the publicity stops. So it does harm them. Sure it's not fair that they have something you want, but hey I still want a Lambourghini & it's not fair that I don't have one.

samcambolt270 · Oct 28, 2016

i really dont get why a company would even care if a shitty unreleased prototype got leaked. its not like it matters to them. if it never got found at all, they would be no better off....

Deleted User · Oct 28, 2016

smf said:
And I wish that Lambourghini would just give a car to every person in the world... Of course then we'd all hate Lambourghini's because they are expensive to run, difficult to park and catch on fire.

When there is a buzz around an unreleased game then it's free publicity for the developer, once they release it the publicity stops. So it does harm them. Sure it's not fair that they have something you want, but hey I still want a Lambourghini & it's not fair that I don't have one.

That's a really piss-poor analogy.
You can't just hand out cars because they're physical objects and can't simply be copied and given out to people.
With the prototype, you can dump it and make as many copies as you want because the actual game itself isn't a physical object. The prototype also isn't being sold to anyone, so either way, no profit will be made off of it.

samcambolt270 · Oct 28, 2016

Tomato Hentai said:
That's a really piss-poor analogy.
You can't just hand out cars because they're physical objects and can't simply be copied and given out to people.
With the prototype, you can dump it and make as many copies as you want because the actual game itself isn't a physical object. The prototype also isn't being sold to anyone, so either way, no profit will be made off of it.

this is exactly what bothers me. why would they even care either way. for all they care, the prototype could have ceased to exist, and nothing would change. they are never ever going to make any profit from it, and would not care if the guy who found it just smashed it with a hammer. but if it gets leaked online for people to play, then theres a problem.

Saiyan Lusitano · Oct 28, 2016

samcambolt270 said:
i really dont get why a company would even care if a shitty unreleased prototype got leaked. its not like it matters to them. if it never got found at all, they would be no better off....

If Rayman SNES were the next month's free game on Uplay, Ubisoft would give one hell of a nice Christmas present.

Edit: Shoot. I forgot they already gave away a Rayman title before.

Condarkness · Oct 28, 2016

That's pretty sweet. Can't wait to see it on the Switch.

smf · Oct 31, 2016

Tomato Hentai said:
That's a really piss-poor analogy.
You can't just hand out cars because they're physical objects and can't simply be copied and given out to people.

It's a great analogy as the value of a lambourghini is not just the sum cost of it's raw materials. Would it make you happier if I said "sell everyone a lambourghini for the cost of the raw materials"? Sure they would need to pay the wages of the staff and R&D, but the Rayman Snes developers were paid too and you still want their efforts for free.

Tomato Hentai said:
With the prototype, you can dump it and make as many copies as you want because the actual game itself isn't a physical object. The prototype also isn't being sold to anyone, so either way, no profit will be made off of it.

Why would you think they would do that? They don't give you old games that they no longer sell and there are good business reasons for them not to give you them.

This rayman game is a physical object and it's value is purely based on you not having it.

Charli · Oct 31, 2016

Wow, thanks for posting this gem.
Always feeling nostalgic for Rayman :>

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