Nintendo of America: "Learn more about the Switch LIVE on Jan. 12"

Xzi · Oct 27, 2016

sarkwalvein said:
Exactly, that is what I meant. All the way back to a low power cheap implementation of the Pascal architecture.

Well the 900 series is Maxwell, not Pascal. All consoles are on the cheap-end of current hardware. Take out the cost of including a mobile screen and you've basically got the power difference between Switch and XB1. I'd say 75% - 80% of the way there, with plenty of opportunity to be better optimized and include better APIs. Nobody is going to buy Switch looking for the most powerful gaming machine. Nobody should be buying any console for that. They'll buy Switch because it's the next-gen Nintendo handheld, it's plenty more powerful than the 3DS, and it has the cherry on top of being able to play Smash and other games on the big screen.

It's just a matter of degrees with consoles, look how fast Sony and MS had to build new revisions. Maybe in ten years their consoles will be as powerful as 2016 gaming PCs. It's pointless trying to pursue power just for power's sake, aesthetic and performance matter more in the console graphics world anyway.

Vishnoo · Oct 27, 2016

This console is just amazing.The only thing which doubts us is the graphics of Nintendo. I hope nintendo has boosted the graphics

sarkwalvein · Oct 27, 2016

Xzi said:
Nobody is going to buy Switch looking for the most powerful gaming machine. Nobody should be buying any console for that. They'll buy Switch because it's the next-gen Nintendo handheld, it's plenty more powerful than the 3DS, and it has the cherry on top of being able to play Smash and other games on the big screen.

I already did that with the Wii (buying it not for its power but because it promised to have some great Nintendo software). And I wasn't really disappointed, sub-par graphics but some great games, anyway missing a lot of 3rd party support was sorrowful.

Then I did it with the Wii U, and that was a fucking big time disappointment, hell the machine is underpowered as hell, the OS is slow and bothersome, the eShop is shit, and the worst and definitive thing that makes me mad: there is no fucking software, really, yeah you got MK8 and not much more. Not even a fucking metroid, many years of teasing and still not even a fucking original Zelda game, I won't even speak about 3rd party support.

The 3DS hasn't been a disappointment, even though the DS was way better supported IMHO, so that is what I hope this console ends up doing, a new 3DS-like experience (I mean, some shit that has software).

Hell, hardware-wise Nintendo will always be shit and I don't care, but they are being shit in the software department lately, that is sad.

Vishnoo · Oct 27, 2016

Wii is better than xbox 360 in my suggestion. The only thing which has attracted the customers and game companies is the graphics of xbox 360.But wii provided only 480p and its too poor performance when compared to xbox 360. But it attracted the customers and fans by the best entertaining games.

Xzi · Oct 27, 2016

sarkwalvein said:
I already did that with the Wii. And I wasn't really disappointed, sub-par graphics but some great games, anyway missing a lot of 3rd party support was sorrowful.

Then I did it with the Wii U, and that was a fucking big time disappointment, hell the machine is underpowered as hell, the OS is slow and bothersome, the eShop is shit, and the worst and definitive thing that makes me mad: there is no fucking software, really, yeah you got MK8 and not much more. Not even a fucking metroid, many years of teasing and still not even a fucking original Zelda game, I won't even speak about 3rd party support.

The 3DS hasn't been a disappointment, even though the DS was way better supported IMHO, so that is what I hope this console ends up doing, a new 3DS-like experience (I mean, some shit that has software).

Hell, hardware-wise Nintendo will always be shit and I don't care, but they are being shit in the software department lately, that is sad.

Most of their hardware up to Switch has been AMD, and for me at least it was a night-and-day difference going from an AMD PC to an Intel/Nvidia PC. XB1/PS4 also use AMD APUs, which is why it won't be that hard to nearly match them with a mobile Nvidia GPU. The efficiency and quality gap between the two companies is massive.

Imparasite · Oct 27, 2016

im buying this one

Vishnoo · Oct 27, 2016

Imparasite said:
im buying this one

Really this is more interesting than the xbox one. The one which attracted me to xbox one was graphics. The Switch's portable and television display concept is amazing.

Maximilious · Oct 27, 2016

I think all this late hype, marketing and production leads me to believe they are using X2 Pascal processors. If they are, this will give the NS a very large advantage over the other current gen systems.

XDel · Oct 27, 2016

Could they push it back four days at least, that way I can receive the big news on my birthday. :/ Sighhhh

TemplarGR · Oct 27, 2016

And again, i find it hilarious that kids continue to compare Desktop gpus which are a half a feet long with a a huge cooler, with the Tegra line which is a tiny stamp-sized SoC which includes a cpu and cache and a memory controller, and is passively cooled unless you oveclock it and actively cool it, which will end up being bulky AS FAK and certainly won't fit a tablet this thin. Oh, and Tegra uses PS3 era ram bandwidth at best. Unless a custom Tegra with an exotic ram solution is used, which will cost a ton and maybe will match Xbox One bandwidth, without the eDRAM bonus.

If you think this is going to compare to the Xbox One, let alone a mid level desktop gpu, you are delusional. Seriously, delusional.

Face it, like with the 3DS and the Wii U, the Switch is underpowered. Why Nintendo fans are always in denial is beyond me at this point.

TotalInsanity4 · Oct 27, 2016

TemplarGR said:
and is passively cooled unless you oveclock it and actively cool it

There's a large vent on the top end of the tablet, which suggests that there's at least some active cooling method, and one that will most likely be amplified when docked

WhiteMaze · Oct 27, 2016

sarkwalvein said:
Exactly, that is what I meant. All the way back to a low power cheap implementation of the Pascal architecture.

PS: I would love to be wrong, but Nintendo will have to prove me wrong big time before I donate money to them yet again.
PS2: And proving me (and anybody else) wrong would be as easy as releasing some real footage, showing some demo units working, presenting the fucking thing somewhere, showing the real thing... it is SO fishy they haven't already done it, it stinks like BS.

Oh Nintendo, Nintendo... you and your adorable late revealing "I hope no one notices in time that this ain't what they think it is" ways.

You f*** this up and I'm done. Seriously.

digipimp75 · Oct 27, 2016

Great, so we'll have another couple months of speculation and rumors. *sigh*

mashers · Oct 27, 2016

I honestly don't care about the spec. The only criterion for me is whether it will let me play the latest Nintendo games. The answer to that is of course 'yes'.

Everybody really should have learned from the Wii and the DS that it's not about being the fastest, or having the most polygons on screen, or having ultra-realistic graphics. If you want that, there are already consoles which will do it. We don't need another one.

I love Nintendo games and consoles because they're fun, innovative and quirky. I'm quite sure Switch will continue that tradition.

ShadowOne333 · Oct 27, 2016

Wow, giving the full details of the console just two months before its launch?
Really cutting it, Nintendo.
Hope your marketing decisions doesn't hurt the console sales.

sarkwalvein · Oct 27, 2016

mashers said:
I love Nintendo games and consoles because they were fun, innovative and quirky. I'm quite sure Switch will go back to that tradition.

Fixed.
They have to go back to that old tradition. The tradition was broken with the lackluster and disappointing catalog of the Wii U. I can't remember any gem in the system.
The Wii in the other hand was fine. Beautiful games. It even had a couple of fucking Metroid games for the sake of God!
/rant

digipimp75 · Oct 27, 2016

mashers said:
I honestly don't care about the spec. The only criterion for me is whether it will let me play the latest Nintendo games. The answer to that is of course 'yes'.

Everybody really should have learned from the Wii and the DS that it's not about being the fastest, or having the most polygons on screen, or having ultra-realistic graphics. If you want that, there are already consoles which will do it. We don't need another one.

I love Nintendo games and consoles because they're fun, innovative and quirky. I'm quite sure Switch will continue that tradition.

I agree, but unfortunately the third party devs don't see it that way. They just see an underpowered system and shy away from porting any games over to it (unless of course the install base is very high). Let's hope that they stick around this time, and not abandon Nintendo in the first year like they did with the Wii U!

mashers · Oct 27, 2016

@sarkwalvein
There are few things I find more obnoxious on a forum than quoting somebody, changing the words to your own opinion, and writing "fixed". If you disagree with me then that's fine of course, I don't care. But I hate people "fixing" other peoples comments. My opinion is my own and is perfectly valid; it doesn't need to be "fixed".

geodeath · Oct 27, 2016

I love how everybody keeps thinking of power in only numerical things like "it will manage to easily do 1080p@60fps". Oh really?

On **which** game exactly? With what kind of graphics? People easily forget the details that goes in games such as (just naming a few without thinking too much) need for speed, the order, gears of war, uncharted etc. It is easy to think just of the resolution, but hey, guess what? The tablet games that come at 50mb and 100mb and 500mb of a download are ***not*** the same as a 25gb and 50gb behemoth of a 3d world with heavy textures etc. I still have to see 1, just 1 tablet game that i would consider good looking (or should i say "current"?), mainly because of the lack of complexity of the graphics.

Good example, resident evil 5 on the shield. Granted, it does not look bad. And i am sure the nx will be more powerful than the shield (well, it should). However, keeping in mind it still needs to be mobile and all that (battery life kicks in) it is highly unlikely that a game that was released in 2009 and does not run at 1080p at 60fps at the current shield is going to make 3rd party developers willing to port much more graphically complex games to the nx.

Again, hopefully i am wrong all the way and the nx just kicks ass and the battery is stellar and the games all come in. But please, stop just shouting out a *resolution* with a framerate, as a way to boast about graphical performance. I can make the gameboy run in 60fps if i want, all you have to do is just draw 1 pixel in the middle of the screen for the whole 60fps period. The shield can of course run fruit ninja at 1080p@60fps. But will the nx be able to run *current* generation software that will be ported to it in a satisfactory way, even with less details? That is the question that will make or break the nx, at least financially for nintendo. I am sure every one of us that will get it, will love the nintendo games on it, but if nintendo flops with it, it will not be funny. Even if you enjoy the console.

Oh and i know they have shown skyrim on it. But until we see proper specs, battery life and which games actually come (rather than a trailer) then we do not know yet.

WhiteMaze · Oct 27, 2016

@mashers

True. Don't flame guys.

Also, I think you're the guy next on my list for Sketch Request.

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