Michel Ancel finds "lost" Rayman SNES game

samcambolt270 · Oct 24, 2016

RevPokemon said:
That never will happen though due to legal reasons plus it is not finished.

since when has legality ever really been a problem for people dumping roms? seeing as this only exists on that cart, its likely he will want to back it up to prevent it from being lost to time due to its immense rarity, and if that backup happens to... escape his computer, i doubt anyone would be angry about it.

DaFixer · Oct 24, 2016

Great find

Saiyan Lusitano · Oct 24, 2016

My god, Rayman on SNES would have bee a must own. Not gonna get my hopes up it gets "leaked" but wish it would.

sarkwalvein said:
@Sonic Angel Knight

And also the Japanese unit looks almost the same.
Except it saying "Super Famicom" instead of SNES.

Love the design of the European/Japanese SNES. Very nostalgic. The American SNES looks like a kid's Lego toy.

plyscho · Oct 24, 2016

enarky said:
The developer most likely just doesn't know that EUR SNES is locked to 50FPS, opposed to the US and JPN systems. That adapter just disables the region check, it can't make a EUR SNES run 60Hz, that's only possible by modifying the console itself.

Yeah, but since there is no second cartridge connected to the adapter it's very likely that it does nothing. You need to connect a PAL cartridge to it's back to make it work. I asume it's just there because stuffing a raw circuit board into the SNES slot is not cool.

raulpica · Oct 24, 2016

enarky said:
The developer most likely just doesn't know that EUR SNES is locked to 50FPS, opposed to the US and JPN systems. That adapter just disables the region check, it can't make a EUR SNES run 60Hz, that's only possible by modifying the console itself.

He could just be using the adapter to make it easier to insert/remove the dev cart, as it hasn't got any shell and it'd be irksome to keep the flap from pushing it forward

EDIT: Got ninja'd by plyscho while I was researching SNES dev carts.

enarky · Oct 24, 2016

plyscho said:
Yeah, but since there is no second cartridge connected to the adapter it's very likely that it does nothing. You need to connect a PAL cartridge to it's back to make it work. I asume it's just there because stuffing a raw circuit board into the SNES slot is not cool.

raulpica said:
He could just be using the adapter to make it easier to insert/remove the dev cart, as it hasn't got any shell and it'd be irksome to keep the flap from pushing it forward

EDIT: Got ninja'd by plyscho while I was researching SNES dev carts.

Of course, certainly another possibility that I didn't think of. I haven't ever put the screws of my PAL SNES back in and remove the top each time I play a NTSC game, so there's that.

ov3rkill · Oct 24, 2016

Jimmy-man?

GreaterDog · Oct 24, 2016

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Pluupy · Oct 25, 2016

samcambolt270 said:
since when has legality ever really been a problem for people dumping roms?

When the company knows you're the only one with it and hold you accountable if it is dumped.

Onepunchbruh · Oct 25, 2016

Hmmmmmmmm :l

samcambolt270 · Oct 25, 2016

Pluupy said:
When the company knows you're the only one with it and hold you accountable if it is dumped.

they'd still have to prove it legally. simply claiming "he is the only person with access to it and therefore is logically the only one who could have done" is not enough, as a there is plenty enough doubt.

Saiyan Lusitano · Oct 25, 2016

samcambolt270 said:
they'd still have to prove it legally. simply claiming "he is the only person with access to it and therefore is logically the only one who could have done" is not enough, as a there is plenty enough doubt.

And in the event that someone "stole" it from him then they'd be left with nothing to accuse him of.

samcambolt270 · Oct 25, 2016

Saiyan Lusitano said:
And in the event that someone "stole" it from him then they'd be left with nothing to accuse him of.

exactly

Frezgle · Oct 25, 2016

How did Star Fox 2's prototype get released? Like, how many people still had it when it "escaped"? If it's anything like this situation, there might be a glimmer of hope.

(Then again I actually don't know - I'm kind of half wishing, half seriously asking.)

sarkwalvein · Oct 25, 2016

Frezgle said:
How did Star Fox 2's prototype get released? Like, how many people still had it when it "escaped"? If it's anything like this situation, there might be a glimmer of hope.

(Then again I actually don't know - I'm kind of half wishing, half seriously asking.)

How many people may have been fired or sanctioned without us being informed?

eyeliner · Oct 25, 2016

I'd say it can be dumped and the rom eventually released.
It's a 24 year old, unfinished, unreleased, game. There's no way this should be finished. A new game from it? Sure, with new graphics, sounds, music, etc.

No loss for Ubisoft (it would even be a cool extra point for Ubisoft if released), and a nice throwback to yesteryear.

Jayro · Oct 25, 2016

sarkwalvein said:
@Sonic Angel Knight

And also the Japanese unit looks almost the same.
Except it saying "Super Famicom" instead of SNES.

I wish that was the SNES we got in the states... We got this fugly monstrosity:

WiiUAre · Oct 25, 2016

DinohScene said:
Shiet.
That thing was lost for the same amount of time as I have been alive.

And like the game i didn't know you existed (Illumnati confirmed)

Deleted User · Oct 25, 2016

Jayro said:
I wish that was the SNES we got in the states... We got this fugly monstrosity:

-snip-

From what I'd heard, the main reason the SNES had a different design in the US was because kids kept setting drinks on the NES.

smf · Oct 25, 2016

samcambolt270 said:
since when has legality ever really been a problem for people dumping roms? seeing as this only exists on that cart, its likely he will want to back it up to prevent it from being lost to time due to its immense rarity, and if that backup happens to... escape his computer, i doubt anyone would be angry about it.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions that aren't true. Some people ignore the law and dump things and release them, some people have ended up in trouble over it. It doesn't mean that he will want to do it. He may already have a backup of it, but that doesn't mean he will share it with you. It currently has value which would instantly disappear.

Even if he doesn't care, then Ubisoft will probably want a stab at making money out of it. They wouldn't believe some half arsed story about how the only copy mysteriously became publicly available and he doesn't know how, it would likely affect his relationship with them.

plyscho said:
Yeah, but since there is no second cartridge connected to the adapter it's very likely that it does nothing. You need to connect a PAL cartridge to it's back to make it work. I asume it's just there because stuffing a raw circuit board into the SNES slot is not cool.

The adaptor might have it's own lock out chip built in, which is all the second cartridge is for. Or the SNES might have the lockout disabled. The import adaptors don't usually allow the lock out chip in the import cartridge from communicating with the SNES, which would mean that the SNES wouldn't have access to a lock out chip on that ray man pcb. So there has to be something going on.

It looks like this one, I don't read german.....

https://www.konsolenkost.de/snes-import-adapter-super-key-super-adaptor-2412rs-gebraucht/a-1017915/

If it is that one then it doesn't even have a slot on the back for another cartridge and according to a quick google search it may have it's own lockout chip built it (i.e. something like SuperCIC).

samcambolt270 said:
they'd still have to prove it legally. simply claiming "he is the only person with access to it and therefore is logically the only one who could have done" is not enough, as a there is plenty enough doubt.

It would certainly be enough for disciplinary action to be taken by an employer (gross negligence should cover it) & it would look bad for his integrity when looking for a new job. I'm not sure anyone sane would take the risk so that strangers could get to play an unfinished game, no matter how much they really really wanna.

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