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[POLL] Who are/would you vote for United States President?

Who are/would you vote for United States President?

  • Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

    Votes: 77 24.2%
  • Donald Trump (Republican)

    Votes: 127 39.9%
  • Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

    Votes: 26 8.2%
  • Jill Stein (Green)

    Votes: 21 6.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 67 21.1%

  • Total voters
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She has no upward trendline (in fact, it's downward), and it wouldn't be worth the Trump risk even if she did have momentum.
It still is at the point where she should be fighting for that 5% though.

If the election had been held the day before the debate, there would have been a near 48% chance that Trump would have won. That's how close the Electoral College was. All he needed to do was move the needle 2% or less in the tipping point state of Colorado, for example.
Assuming that it was where it was locked and the NC, NV, and FL would have all voted Trump along with the other swing states that where in his favor which is unreasonable to assume.

You misread my post. I didn't say that Stein was going to get 10%. I said that, before the debate, there was a 10% chance that Stein was going to get ≥X, where X is the margin between Trump and Clinton in a tipping point state that goes to Trump
Ok sorry about that. Although a 10% chance of getting within the margin of victory is still relatively small

It's not the Electoral College that helps the Democrats this year; it's the amount Clinton is ahead nationally that then translates to Electoral College victories. When the popular vote is close, the Electoral College benefits Trump.
But the thing is like I have stated, Clinton can lose 6 out of the 8 widely considered swing states and she still would win with 272. If the 2004 election was held today with all states voting the same then the Democrats would win. Of course the popular vote matters but under the system it still is a benefit to the Democrats because of the value of states.
 
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Great job of describing yourself! :yay: You will probably do it again now after what I will say next...

Voting for third party candidates is a smart thing to do.

Jill is not anti-science.

Jill is my waifu.:wub:

Jill's personality really turns me on! :creep:
 
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Assuming that it was where it was locked and the NC, NV, and FL would have all voted Trump along with the other swing states that where in his favor which is unreasonable to assume.
Trump taking Nevada, North Carolina, and Florida was not merely the worst case scenario a few days ago; it was the likely outcome. Based on the polls, there was nothing unreasonable about this proposition. It was likely.

Ok sorry about that. Although a 10% chance of getting within the margin of victory is still relatively small
I did a quick calculation of 10% with the assumption that she gets 1% of the vote or less, so no. There is an extremely good chance that Stein will get X% in more than one swing state, with X being the margin of victory. The limiting factor in calculating these odds of a Stein effect is whether those swing states, specifically the tipping point state, are won by Clinton or by Trump.

Edit: Redoing my calculations more extensively, if Trump did win the Electoral College last week, for example, then there was a near 100% chance that the Stein votes would be in part to blame. In Colorado, for example, Stein's votes would have been well over the likely margin of victory. The same goes for any of the other likely tipping point states from a hypothetical election last week. Don't kid yourself into thinking Stein wouldn't cause harm.

But the thing is like I have stated, Clinton can lose 6 out of the 8 widely considered swing states and she still would win with 272.
You don't seem to understand that, only a few days ago, this was no longer the description of Clinton's Electoral College firewall worst-case scenario; it was the likely outcome if the election were held that day. In other words, she no longer had a firewall, and there was no wiggle room to spare. With polling like it was, a state like Colorado or New Hampshire could easily flip to Trump, giving him the electoral college. Given the pre-debate polling, states like Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and Iowa were red, not swing states.

Voting for third party candidates is a smart thing to do.
If you care who actually wins this year's election, voting third-party is objectively not the smart thing to do. If you care more about making a statement, funding issues, etc. over who actually wins in 2016, then vote third-party.

Jill is not anti-science.
She's anti-nuclear energy, anti-GMO, and arguably anti-vaccine to an extent. She's clearly anti-science. There's a very fair assessment on candidates and science issues here from Scientific American. No, Clinton doesn't win them all, but she does win overall.
 
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Trump taking Nevada, North Carolina, and Florida was not merely the worst case scenario a few days ago; it was the likely outcome. Based on the polls, there was nothing unreasonable about this proposition. It was likel
I am speaking of the notion that he would have to win all of those states plus Colorado or NH while if clinton won any of them it would be game over. The chance of him winning all of those states plus Co or NH was low since Clinton was favored in those states, and was very competitive in Fl and NV, and had a good shot at the rest of them.

I did a quick calculation of 10% with the assumption that she gets 1% of the vote or less, so no. There is an extremely good chance that Stein will get X% in more than one swing state, with X being the margin of victory. The limiting factor in calculating these odds of a Stein effect is whether those swing states, specifically the tipping point state, are won by Clinton or by Trump.

Edit: Redoing my calculations more extensively, if Trump did win the Electoral College last week, for example, then there was a near 100% chance that the Stein votes would be in part to blame. In Colorado, for example, Stein's votes would have been well over the likely margin of victory. The same goes for any of the other likely tipping point states from a hypothetical election last week. Don't kid yourself into thinking Stein wouldn't cause har
First to be honest I must ask did you consider accounting for Castle and McMullins who are to the right and stole votes from Trump? That lowers the amount Stein does a little bit. now lets assume that if Stein gets 2% (she is polling around 2.7-3% which may be on the lower side come November). Know will that affect Co? It depends come November we will know based off of polling how likely it is but there is still a large chance it will not since as stated 1. Castle and McMullins will lower it a tad bit, 2. Many Stein voters would have stayed home, 3. Some would have voted Johnson so it is hard to say all of that would be due to her. But regardless other then Co or Nh which would cause Clinton to lose then all of the other swing states still would not be enough to cause Trump to win.

You don't seem to understand that, only a few days ago, this was no longer the description of Clinton's Electoral College firewall worst-case scenario; it was the likely outcome if the election were held that day. In other words, she no longer had a firewall, and there was no wiggle room to spare. With polling like it was, a state like Colorado or New Hampshire could easily flip to Trump, giving him the electoral college.
But if She won Florida or Nv then it would have voided that. It is still more likely that Clinton would win one of those 6 states then Trump win Co and/or NH (hell NH in some polls showed it was as safe as AZ was).

Given the pre-debate polling, states like Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and Iowa were red, not swing states.
Nevada was a swing and so was Florida. Both were more likely to change then NH was. Regardless for Clinton to lose it would take some loses in all of those states + trump steal Co or Nh which as described was un likely. Plus come November it will be different and most likely to be where it is a much larger margin for Clinton.
 

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I am speaking of the notion that he would have to win all of those states plus Colorado or NH while if clinton won any of them it would be game over. The chance of him winning all of those states plus Co or NH was low since Clinton was favored in those states, and was very competitive in Fl and NV, and had a good shot at the rest of them.
The odds of Trump doing that were nearly 50% only a few days ago.

First to be honest I must ask did you consider accounting for Castle and McMullins who are to the right and stole votes from Trump? That lowers the amount Stein does a little bit. now lets assume that if Stein gets 2% (she is polling around 2.7-3% which may be on the lower side come November). Know will that affect Co? It depends come November we will know based off of polling how likely it is but there is still a large chance it will not since as stated 1. Castle and McMullins will lower it a tad bit, 2. Many Stein voters would have stayed home, 3. Some would have voted Johnson so it is hard to say all of that would be due to her. But regardless other then Co or Nh which would cause Clinton to lose then all of the other swing states still would not be enough to cause Trump to win.
The existence of Castle and McMullin is irrelevant to whether or not Stein's presence in the race sways the election in a tipping point state.

But if She won Florida or Nv then it would have voided that. It is still more likely that Clinton would win one of those 6 states then Trump win Co and/or NH (hell NH in some polls showed it was as safe as AZ was).


Nevada was a swing and so was Florida. Both were more likely to change then NH was. Regardless for Clinton to lose it would take some loses in all of those states + trump steal Co or Nh which as described was un likely. Plus come November it will be different and most likely to be where it is a much larger margin for Clinton.
See above about Trump's odds.
 

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The odds of Trump doing that were nearly 50% only a few days ago.
Currently it is around the mid 30s but a few days ago IIRC it was into the high 30s before the debates

The existence of Castle and McMullin is irrelevant to whether or not Stein's presence in the race sways the election in a tipping point state.
It does since it basically balances it out some since you have Jill who (as you have said) steals votes from the Progressive candidate and you have McMullin and Castle who rob votes from the Conservative candidate so the balance each other out to an extent thus changing the amount of impact that she has.
 

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Currently it is around the mid 30s but a few days ago IIRC it was into the high 30s before the debates
According to FiveThirtyEight's now-cast, Trump would have had a 48% chance of winning if the election had been held immediately before the debate. Now I'm just repeating myself.

It does since it basically balances it out some since you have Jill who (as you have said) steals votes from the Progressive candidate and you have McMullin and Castle who rob votes from the Conservative candidate so the balance each other out to an extent thus changing the amount of impact that she has.
I agree with everything you're saying, except it's irrelevant to the topic. I'm talking about the variable of Jill Stein's run for the presidency. If we removed her candidacy from existence, that has no bearing on Castle nor McMullin. In other words, they're still around siphoning votes as you described.
 

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According to FiveThirtyEight's now-cast, Trump would have had a 48% chance of winning if the election had been held immediately before the debate. Now I'm just repeating myself.
Well I am sorry. I was using the polls feature of the forecast. Oh well.

I agree with everything you're saying, except it's irrelevant to the topic. I'm talking about the variable of Jill Stein's run for the presidency. If we removed her candidacy from existence, that has no bearing on Castle nor McMullin. In other words, they're still around siphoning votes as you described.
Well then agreed, but as you mentioned it does of course affect the spoiler status since the balance each other out. Interestingly switching topics to the idea of them spoiling each other out, I read recently in a few polls where McMullins is included he actually has gotten around the samish amount as Stein has in terms of what she most likely will get come election day although it is not enough polling info to be certain either way.
 

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https://web.archive.org/web/2016092...s.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

From last Sunday, which had him at 38-40% chance based upon the last major polls before the debate.
According to polls-only, which isn't what I said, it was 42% on September 25, and it was 46% on September 26 immediately before the debate.

According to the now-cast, which is what I said, it was 44% on September 25, and it was 49% on September 26 immediately before the debate. That's not mid-high 30s.
 
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According to polls-only, which isn't what I said, it was 42% on September 25, and it was 46% on September 26 immediately before the debate.

According to the now-cast, which is what I said, it was 44% on September 25, and it was 49% on September 26 immediately before the debate. That's not mid-high 30s.
But as the link shows on the 25th it was at the levels I described but then changed. I did not see the changes that increased it. My bad.

Regardless it will be better to discuss all of this come November.
 

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On an unrelated note, Gary Johnson:


I really have no clue however you could say he is running his campaign into the ground though. I mean sure he has had minor missteps but they have not really hurt him in terms of polling and he handled them very well to be honest.
 

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I really have no clue however you could say he is running his campaign into the ground though. I mean sure he has had minor missteps but they have not really hurt him in terms of polling and he handled them very well to be honest.
His campaign is a joke, he didn't handle is missteps well at all, and the only reason he hasn't been hurt in the polls by his nonsense is because he has only been polling at about 8% since June and thus has no real poll numbers to speak of.
 

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His campaign is a joke
How is it a joke? Unlike Stein he has experience along with Weld, is taking voters equally between both sides, and unlike the other two is not hated by 50% of America.

he didn't handle is missteps well at al
Unlike Trump, he did not slam them as Gotcha questions and acknowledged he was human. Hell Clinton has made a ton of decisions that she has regretted such as war votes and her email usage (not saying it was illegal).

and the only reason he hasn't been hurt in the polls by his nonsense is because he has only been polling at about 8% since June and thus has no real poll numbers to speak of.
Sure he has been averaged overall in polls around 8 percent but regardless this was well reported by the media and to say that it would not have affected him because he was at 8% is bs when he is in all the major polls and this had this event in major media attention.
 
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