Hacking [Discussion] "freegame" - The new Supercard's CFW for DSTWO+

Mikemk · Jun 29, 2016

CreAtor135 said:
Are we really expecting a flashcart company, completely based off of illegalities, to care about the GPL? If anyone wants anything done, talking about it won't fix a thing. Now can we please stop bickering about this?

Flashcarts aren't illegal in most places. Japan is the only place I know of where they're illegal.

dpad_5678 · Jun 30, 2016

dankzegriefer said:
Except you're wrong.

Neh breh

SEAgreen206 · Jun 30, 2016

Does this work on A9LH Luma updated sysNAND?

Thanks in advance!

The Catboy · Jun 30, 2016

SEAgreen206 said:
Does this work on A9LH Luma updated sysNAND?

Thanks in advance!

Nope, just use a better CFW that isn't stolen code. I made a need list here
http://gbatemp.net/threads/wip-faq-what-cfw-is-best-for-me.428509/

gnmmarechal · Jun 30, 2016

gamesquest1 said:
Tbh gbatemp makes it up as it goes along, gateway copies a method but makes their own code "arrrghhhh kill them, theives I tell yah"

Supercard steals the whole package and rebrands it as their own work with a few tweaks and "oh well we can't complain it's opensource anyway so they are allowed to do what they like"

GPL though

cearp · Jun 30, 2016

Gray_Jack said:
Well, SC closed the source of the "fork" and made it paid (since you have to buy the dstwo + to make it work)

sure they shouldn't take the code and make it closed - but i don't agree when you say they made it paid.
the hardware and the software are separate in my opinion. i'm not sure about in law though.

Billy Acuña · Jun 30, 2016

cearp said:
sure they shouldn't take the code and make it closed - but i don't agree when you say they made it paid.
the hardware and the software are separate in my opinion. i'm not sure about in law though.

Of course, both "freegame.dat" and "launcher.dat" are freeware, but I guess they should at least give the proper credits (both SC and GW Team).

sieroi · Jun 30, 2016

I'm mostly interested in whether this is capable of reducing the DSTWO's extreme battery drain issues- wouldn't be surprised to find that they haven't done anything about it, but it'd be nice if they'd found a way.

chaoskagami · Jun 30, 2016

cearp said:
sure they shouldn't take the code and make it closed - but i don't agree when you say they made it paid.
the hardware and the software are separate in my opinion. i'm not sure about in law though.

The GPLv3 forbids Tivo-ization. No DRM can be used in combination with GPLv3 and the user must be allowed to substitute their own code.

cearp · Jun 30, 2016

chaoskagami said:
The GPLv3 forbids Tivo-ization. No DRM can be used in combination with GPLv3 and the user must be allowed to substitute their own code.

is it drm though? where is the digital rights management?
it is just that the software is useless without the hardware, and vice versa. if another hardware was to come along and support that software, fine.
(maybe i misunderstand?)

dankzegriefer · Jun 30, 2016

cearp said:
is it drm though? where is the digital rights management?
it is just that the software is useless without the hardware, and vice versa. if another hardware was to come along and support that software, fine.
(maybe i misunderstand?)

Doesn't matter the source must be released.

sieroi · Jun 30, 2016

Huh. Proper DSTWO+ NDS forwarder support, as well?

Impressive. Wonder if it could be backported to the DSTWO?

chaoskagami · Jun 30, 2016

dankzegriefer said:
Doesn't matter the source must be released.

cearp said:
is it drm though? where is the digital rights management?
it is just that the software is useless without the hardware, and vice versa. if another hardware was to come along and support that software, fine.
(maybe i misunderstand?)

Either way, they must release the source.

What I was getting at was if some change they made means the cart must use their CFW...well, they may have to make the cart's firmware open source or remove a restriction on it, since this is GPLv3 and not GPLv2.

They opened a can of worms, basically. A very large one.

cearp · Jun 30, 2016

chaoskagami said:
Either way, they must release the source.

What I was getting at was if some change they made means the cart must use their CFW...well, they may have to make the cart's firmware open source or remove a restriction on it, since this is GPLv3 and not GPLv2.

They opened a can of worms, basically. A very large one.

sure but as stuff go, this isn't that extreme and i doubt anything will come of it.
i'm not too good at law, but who is the one to 'press charges'? the government/country? or just the copyright holder who wrote the code? and do they even care?

chaoskagami · Jun 30, 2016

cearp said:
sure but as stuff go, this isn't that extreme and i doubt anything will come of it.
i'm not too good at law, but who is the one to 'press charges'? the government/country? or just the copyright holder who wrote the code? and do they even care?

Rei would need to be the one to press charges. Even then, one could try and bring in the FSF because regardless of Rei it still is an illegal redistribution.

dankzegriefer · Jun 30, 2016

chaoskagami said:
Rei would need to be the one to press charges. Even then, one could try and bring in the FSF because regardless of Rei it still is an illegal redistribution.

And it can prove the GPL has legal power in another country.

chaoskagami · Jun 30, 2016

dankzegriefer said:
And it can prove the GPL has legal power in another country.

China would be a pain on that front.

Earth97 · Jul 1, 2016

Gray_Jack said:
It's your (devs ans customer) right to have the source code, since it is a "fork" from a open source code protected by GNU GPLv3
Once that a open source code is protected by a GNU Licence, it's the right of the developers and the entire GNU community to have the source code from a forked project using that code in any level (using 0.1% or 99.9% of the code)

I was reflecting over the meaning of "stealing" used in this scenario. sj33 got it:

sj33 said:
I'm not sure what's so confusing about this situation. 'Stealing' might be an exaggeration depending on how you define 'theft', but it is definately a fork that violates the GPL.

If they release their sources, there isn't a problem. As long as they don't, it is a major problem. GPL violations need to be fought if the credibility of GPL is to be maintained.

sj33 said:
My concern is that people at least understand what GPL is. Earth97 for example, who doesn;t seem to understand how open source works.

I know what GPL entails and how open-souce works; still, I wouldn't consider that "stealing". You are violating Rei's right to be credited and users' right to read the source code, but nothing has been stolen.

chaoskagami · Jul 1, 2016

Earth97 said:
I know what GPL entails and how open-souce works; still, I wouldn't consider that "stealing". You are violating Rei's right to be credited and users' right to read the source code, but nothing has been stolen.

It's copyright infringement. The terms under which they were granted the right to use it were not obeyed.

Realistically? There's no difference between copyright infringement and piracy. They 'pirated' his code. You know how Nintendo hates people who steal games? This is the same damned thing.

Xenon Hacks · Jul 1, 2016

Earth97 said:
I was reflecting over the meaning of "stealing" used in this scenario. sj33 got it:

I know what GPL entails and how open-souce works; still, I wouldn't consider that "stealing". You are violating Rei's right to be credited and users' right to read the source code, but nothing has been stolen.

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