Xbox "One-Two" Coming?

daniel26150 · May 26, 2016

It's like the ps3 and xbox 360 promised 1080p 30fps and the barely deliver 720p 25fps.

Xbox One and Ps4 promised 4K 30/60fps, and they give us 900p close to 1080 30/60fps.

4K will never come in this generation...

Yil · May 26, 2016

daniel26150 said:
It's like the ps3 and xbox 360 promised 1080p 30fps and the barely deliver 720p 25fps.

Xbox One and Ps4 promised 4K 30/60fps, and they give us 900p close to 1080 30/60fps.

4K will never come in this generation...

While Japanese developer never made games that push graphic that hard, and ps3 gets lots of 1080 in the earlier years. Xbox 360 never had many 1080p anyway.

TurboTri · May 26, 2016

Yil said:
Xbox 1.2?
Seriously though 6 teraflop is not much for polaris/ vega. (r9 480x)
And since the instruction sets are identical there is no reason it will not be backward compatible, and even then it goes under the same system and api.

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gtx 1070, 6.5 teraflop and more/ better ram than gtx 980ti.
And it cost 370 bucks, and that's nvidia.

If all that was needed to build a gaming system was a video card then yes that price would be fantastic. They don't just take a regular Nvidia chip and plop it beside a processor and say off you go. There is actually some amount of R&D and other costs that are involved in constructing a gaming box.
Oh and regarding an earlier post stating that the price of some 4k TV's is now really cheap I would argue that I could say the same thing about an Nvidia GTX 950. Its only $139 and can display 4k. Would games work well on it? Would they look good at 4k? Would I feel that it was worth the investment or would I have been better saving up for something more substantial. I personally am very choosy about the display device that I plan to be staring at for my movies and games and a $600 4k tv just wont cut it. Heck many of the current LED displays are below what I would accept. The color accuracy and artifacts bug me to no end. I try to buy the middle of the line products (Nvidia 70 series) where I can and I almost never experience buyer's remorse. I understand some people are on very restrictive budgets but for those who are able to should spend the extra and not go for what's cheapest all the time

Subtle Demise · May 26, 2016

3DSPoet said:

Those are addons, not brand new $400-500 consoles.

Yil · May 26, 2016

TurboTri said:
If all that was needed to build a gaming system was a video card then yes that price would be fantastic

Most parts are actually cheaper than you think and this is not designed to be swappable. And at lower tdp is take little air cooling, a low power/low price cpu and slower ram. AMD is perfectly capable of designing storage so that will not be a problem either.
Further 3 years ago it would take more than 800 to build a ps4.

sarkwalvein · May 26, 2016

Sorry, but the horrible name made me want to go as off topic as one possibly could.

So, one two.

Pluupy · May 26, 2016

Likely to be called Xbox One Slim or Elite edition or something.

Yil · May 26, 2016

I am really worried about Nintendo. At 6 teraflop NX will never catch up.

dfsa3fdvc1 · May 26, 2016

Tom Bombadildo said:
The inside source also claims the upgraded Xbox, like the rumored PS4 Neo, will be backwards compatibility with current Xbox One games.

Wow, both the PS4 Neo and the Xbox One are going to be able to play Xbox One game. Not much of a reason to buy an Xbox One. Just get a PS4 and play all the Xbox games on the PS4 Neo.

KSP · May 26, 2016

Yil said:
Most parts are actually cheaper than you think and this is not designed to be swappable. And at lower tdp is take little air cooling, a low power/low price cpu and slower ram. AMD is perfectly capable of designing storage so that will not be a problem either.
Further 3 years ago it would take more than 800 to build a ps4.

If these new consoles can play AAA games in 4K native. I'll eat my boots, my hat, my pants, and my dirty undies.

As I said before, these upgrades can only play 1080p at 60fps as opposed to 900p at 30fps.

They are cheap 4K upscalers, nothing more. You will not see true 4K this console generation.

The cost of parts are too expensive to make them viable. On top of that, you have the cost optical drive, R&D, mobo, sustainable cooling, hevc chip, licensing (various codecs, Bluray, Netflix, etc, etc, etc). Its too cost prohibitive for this console gen to go true 4K.

A console manufacturers needs to pay for everything that goes into a console from hardware to software licensing, not just the vid cards and ram.

Yil · May 26, 2016

KSP said:
If these new consoles can play AAA games in 4K native. I'll eat my boots, my hat, my pants, and my dirty undies.

As I said before, these upgrades can only play 1080p at 60fps as opposed to 900p at 30fps.

They are cheap 4K upscalers, nothing more. You will not see true 4K this console generation.

The cost of parts are too expensive to make them viable. On top of that, you have the cost optical drive, R&D, mobo, sustainable cooling, hevc chip, licensing (various codecs, Bluray, Netflix, etc, etc, etc). Its too cost prohibitive for this console gen to go true 4K.

A console manufacturers needs to pay for everything that goes into a console from hardware to software licensing, not just the vid cards and ram.

The majority of non processing part are already present in current model and newer processing units are not much more expansive. And 4k-capable streaming processing units are more expansive than shaders.
Both sony and microsoft are good enough to cover all the tech used. Ps4 use a free os with their own api, have paid pc software that does all the job consoles can do. And Microsoft have everything plus more with windows. Why do you think Nintendo consoles have so little function?
And how would you get ps4 at just 400?

KSP · May 26, 2016

Yil said:
The majority of non processing part are already present in current model and newer processing units are not much more expansive. And 4k-capable streaming processing units are more expansive than shaders.
Both sony and microsoft are good enough to cover all the tech used. Ps4 use a free os with their own api, have paid pc software that does all the job consoles can do. And Microsoft have everything plus more with windows. Why do you think Nintendo consoles have so little function?
And how would you get ps4 at just 400?

Sony and MS barely make any money off of PS4 and XB1, you honestly think they are gonna take a loss leader on XB1.5 and PS4Neo?

The cost for the parts between 900p console and a 4K console is night and day. I don't know where you are getting the cost is nearly the same.

Also, you realize that everything on a console needs to be paid for right? You want Netflix app, Netflix takes a licensing cheque for each console sold that runs their app, you want HDMI you want USB 3, you want BluRay playback, there are consortiums for every single piece of tech found inside a console, that takes a licensing cheque from you.

You believe that building a console is like building a home made PC, it ain't. Its more costly. Because you are building something for commercial consumption not for personal use.

I will bet you any money that the upgrades aren't gonna be 4K AAA ready. Not even close.

gnmmarechal · May 26, 2016

Xuman said:
So,
The xbox took a 360 to start back from one, and is working its way to count to two?

Eh...these upgrades are making me worry about what the true next gen consoles would be. Nx is confirmed next gen and new, but if the upgrades are just that, upgrades, then im not really so sure i find it significantly worth it for me for good reasons.

1. I dont own nor will ever afford a 4k tv.
2. My ps4 works just fine. Dont have an xbone yet tho.

It was one thing going from phat to slim, but this sounds like taking the route of the new 3ds. The features and specs are better, but aside from a few upgrade exclusives, will there really be a difference between the new and old?

When it comes down to it, whats important is the games. If i see a reasonable lineup of upgrade only games, then id consider it. Otherwise ill keep what i got til gen 9 gets here.

took a 360? Doesn't that mean it didn't move at all? lel

spotanjo3 · May 26, 2016

Yil said:
I am really worried about Nintendo. At 6 teraflop NX will never catch up.

Not a fact.. Its a rumour. Be patient for the fact soon from trust Nintendo and not other sources!

Yil · May 26, 2016

KSP said:
Sony and MS barely make any money off of PS4 and XB1, you honestly think they are gonna take a loss leader on XB1.5 and PS4Neo?

The cost for the parts between 900p console and a 4K console is night and day. I don't know where you are getting the cost is nearly the same.

Also, you realize that everything on a console needs to be paid for right? You want Netflix app, Netflix takes a licensing cheque for each console sold that runs their app, you want HDMI you want USB 3, you want BluRay playback, there are consortiums for every single piece of tech found inside a console, that takes a licensing cheque from you.

You believe that building a console is like building a home made PC, it ain't. Its more costly. Because you are building something for commercial consumption not for personal use.

I will bet you any money that the upgrades aren't gonna be 4K AAA ready. Not even close.

Three years of advancement. Just look at the gpu market and zen right now. And being less modular, especially soc are not very expansive to make than individual chips.
I am curious if Netflix actually charges. The majority of products does not need say over 30 cents per console which would make it no more than 30 in total and both companies have enough to not need licensing.
And do I have to remind that the licensing for majority of tech are also included on the motherboard/ controller/ hardware?

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KSP said:
Sony and MS barely make any money off of PS4 and XB1, you honestly think they are gonna take a loss leader on XB1.5 and PS4Neo?

The cost for the parts between 900p console and a 4K console is night and day. I don't know where you are getting the cost is nearly the same.

Also, you realize that everything on a console needs to be paid for right? You want Netflix app, Netflix takes a licensing cheque for each console sold that runs their app, you want HDMI you want USB 3, you want BluRay playback, there are consortiums for every single piece of tech found inside a console, that takes a licensing cheque from you.

You believe that building a console is like building a home made PC, it ain't. Its more costly. Because you are building something for commercial consumption not for personal use.

I will bet you any money that the upgrades aren't gonna be 4K AAA ready. Not even close.

Do you know how much more expansive hardwares here like usb hub is compared to those made in China due to lack of licensing? Pc parts are also commercial, and ps4/ xbox one never had much to begin with.

KSP · May 26, 2016

Yil said:
Three years of advancement. Just look at the gpu market and zen right now. And being less modular, especially soc are not very expansive to make than individual chips.
I am curious if Netflix actually charges. The majority of products does not need say over 30 cents per console which would make it no more than 30 in total and both companies have enough to not need licensing.
And do I have to remind that the licensing for majority of tech are also included on the motherboard/ controller/ hardware?

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Do you know how much more expansive hardwares here like usb hub is compared to those made in China due to lack of licensing? Pc parts are also commercial, and ps4/ xbox one never had much to begin with.

The consumer mobos are different, you are not taking that mobo and building a console and selling it for profit.

The difference from consumer licensing and corporate licensing is night and day. Yeah you can use Netflix app for free on your PC, but as soon as you put that Netflix app on a PS4 and XB1, Netflix starts to charge money, because you are essentially using Netflix playback to help sell your product to make money.

Why do you think Sony kept removing USB ports on the PS3 every single hardware revision, its because each USB was costing Sony $$$. Why do you think Netflix app is not available on PS Vita, even though PS Vita and PS TV can both run Netflix app just fine with a whitelist changed, because Netflix charges Sony $$$ for every single piece of hardware that runs Netflix on a Sony system.

I think you are confusing the consumer world with the commercial world. Whenever you make something that is designed to use someone elses licenses to make money, you need to pay licensing fees and it adds.

No need to argue over this, just wait until the systems come out and you tell me if they can play 4K AAA games. Time will tell.

You realize that the PS3 dropped down to 2 USB ports for a reason right? And you realize that Wii didn't play DVD movies for reason, right. The hardware and cost of hardware and licensing consortiums are a different beast.

petethepug · May 26, 2016

I don't see a point of adding more performance, unless in a 20 - 30 year span when things have been improved majorly.
Its getting really tedious at this point, ever since the Wii U had been released...

Just like Android VS Apple VS that other phone company...
They make no improvements besides little additions, and more things to support a work/luxury experience.

Subtle Demise · May 27, 2016

Yil said:
I am really worried about Nintendo. At 6 teraflop NX will never catch up.

I'm not, hopefully they become a better version of Sega, doing software only. Smash on Steam, could you imagine? They could still even do gimmicky peripherals for all platforms, like Harmonix.

BurningDesire · May 27, 2016

Me: Post NX rumors in USN
Bortz : Loked because it is not news
You: Post Xbox one-two rumor
You: Are a contributor so it gets front page

GG. Yes, yes I am salty xD

vayanui8 · May 27, 2016

daniel26150 said:
It's like the ps3 and xbox 360 promised 1080p 30fps and the barely deliver 720p 25fps.

Xbox One and Ps4 promised 4K 30/60fps, and they give us 900p close to 1080 30/60fps.

4K will never come in this generation...

did they ever actually sell them as 4k devices though? I remember them being marketed as focusing on 1080p

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