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FAST6191 · Apr 30, 2016

"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever."
In these days of common patches, DLC, expansion packs, rolling releases and "sequels" I am not sure that is so true. It is hardly ideal but not the same as burning a few thousand ROMs and sending them to machines with no menu/capacity for updates.

ElyosOfTheAbyss · Apr 30, 2016

Apart from Zelda u, there hasn't been any game that I've been wanting to get that has been delayed.

FAST6191 said:
"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever."
In these days of common patches, DLC, expansion packs, rolling releases and "sequels" I am not sure that is so true. It is hardly ideal but not the same as burning a few thousand ROMs and sending them to machines with no menu/capacity for updates.

But for people that don't have Internet to update? Then it would be forever bad.

Prans · Apr 30, 2016

FAST6191 said:
"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever."
In these days of common patches, DLC, expansion packs, rolling releases and "sequels" I am not sure that is so true. It is hardly ideal but not the same as burning a few thousand ROMs and sending them to machines with no menu/capacity for updates.

True true, with the advent of DLCs this is easily changed. However, being blatantly left unfinished on release does not give a good impression, especially from big budget games.

FAST6191 · Apr 30, 2016

ElyosOfTheAbyss said:
But for people that don't have Internet to update? Then it would be forever bad.

Even the wii had menu launched patches for games, which all later games carried, and most things have patches you can manually apply ( http://digiex.net/downloads/download-center-2-0/xbox-360-content/title-updates/ ). Also is that really a great concern? It seems almost like saying people without power are doomed to playing board and card games.

Subtle Demise · Apr 30, 2016

Duke Nukem forever spent over a decade in development and turned out to be a CoD clone with some "adult" humor tacked on. Now I'm not saying DN3D was some high-brow sophisticated shit, but just saying longer development time =/= better game. Most delays have nothing to do with the actual game, but rather when the marketing guys think it will sell better.

osaka35 · Apr 30, 2016

FAST6191 said:
Even the wii had menu launched patches for games, which all later games carried, and most things have patches you can manually apply ( http://digiex.net/downloads/download-center-2-0/xbox-360-content/title-updates/ ). Also is that really a great concern? It seems almost like saying people without power are doomed to playing board and card games.

I'd say it's a bigger problem in the states than most other developed countries.

Rural areas tend to have no internet or internet with insane caps (30GB a month cap for 130 bucks a month is the best I could find for me). Most of the monopolies are trying to move to weird caps (my girlfriend lives in a nearby city with a 300GB limit for 50 bucks a month. Netflix 4k goes through that in about half a month if you watch two movie a day). It keeps getting harder and harder to budget data limits.

Please save us all, google fiber!

Foxi4 · Apr 30, 2016

I miss the days when I was blissfully unaware of the concepts of advertising and release schedules. As a child, I was happy enough just reading my magazines thinking "this looks and sounds good, I might play it when it comes out", going window shopping or hearing about games from my friends - that's how I learned about games two decades ago. I was never really looking forward to a particular date because of a game or a movie, all I cared about was whether the game or movie was good or not. Today that's not the case - everyone's always sitting on pins hyping everything out of proportion, everything has to be the biggest, the best, the most fun and right now, because everyone already "paid" for a game that doesn't exist via pre-orders, since you have to pre-order everything to get preorder bonuses that make everything even bigger, better and more fun... somehow. As far as I'm concerned, they can delay the game a 100 times and I'll still play it if I'm interested - Duke Nukem Forever was delayed for what, 13 years? I still played it, I was upset because it wasn't mindblowing like I wanted it to be, not because it came late. What happened to just "making good products and selling them for a fair price"? People will buy your game if it's good - have some faith in your product, release it when it's done and don't make promises you can't deliver on, like a release date you'll have to move 3 times because it was unrealistic.

endoverend · Apr 30, 2016

That Miyamoto quote was obviously true in the past, but at the same time I don't know how well that works out for Nintendo anymore. While it's true that most of the main series Zelda games were delayed at least once, they were good in the end. But with the trend of Nintendo delaying games that still end up as a good to mediocre release (read: Star Fox Zero)? I'm much less okay with that.

At least companies have the decency to delay games, or else you get games like *shudder* Arkham Knight or Sonic Boom.

FAST6191 · Apr 30, 2016

Foxi4 said:
I miss the days when I was blissfully unaware of the concepts of advertising and release schedules.

They can return. I have managed it these last few years without too much effort and mostly find out about games after they have been released, reviewed and people are telling me about them. I can still read about all the drama, aspects of storytelling/psychology and whatever else spun into an articles as well.

I probably play far fewer games (though that is also probably a function of me lacking a gaming grade PC or current consoles) but it works for me.
Relevant at this point

I managed the same for films and mostly get around to watching things a few months afterwards when I can not even remember who was in it at the time I got it.

DinohScene · Apr 30, 2016

On one side, I'm glad games get delayed.
More time for polishing and bug removal.

On the other side, it's a bit sloppy, promising much and delaying the hype.

Then again, these days, games come out and you need to get the DLCs in order to play it.
Weak excuse for an unfinished game.
Or the games get pushed out far to quick after one another.
Yes I'm looking at you COD and Asscreed.

tbb043 · May 1, 2016

Duke Nukem Forever isn't really a good example. The game that released had no real connection other than the main character to the game that they'd started working on 15 years before. That game got completely scrapped and restarted from scratch, many times with many developers over the years.

It'd be like considering Black Isle's "Van Buren" Fallout 3 work to be part of the development time of the Fallout 3 Bethesda eventually put out. It just isn't.

Foxi4 · May 1, 2016

FAST6191 said:
They can return. I have managed it these last few years without too much effort and mostly find out about games after they have been released, reviewed and people are telling me about them. I can still read about all the drama, aspects of storytelling/psychology and whatever else spun into an articles as well.

I probably play far fewer games (though that is also probably a function of me lacking a gaming grade PC or current consoles) but it works for me.
Relevant at this point

I managed the same for films and mostly get around to watching things a few months afterwards when I can not even remember who was in it at the time I got it.

I definitely try to avoid pre-ordering games as I don't want to send the developers a clear message that I don't care about the quality of the product by paying for it in advance (case and point, I haven't pre-ordered a video game for years, including productions that I have a vested interest in like MGS V or Deus Ex 4), my fiancee on the other hand pre-orders them all the time, so I suppose we balance eachother out in this respect. The problem to me is advertising on every medium and the constant discussions (i.e circlejerks and squabbles) online - upcoming games and the excitement about them is the primary discussion topic online, and to avoid it would mean to disconnect myself completely, which is not an option. My main point is that developers should focus on the quality of the product more so than the release dates, the pre-orders, the advertising campaigns or the hype, but that's not really alligned with corporate interests, and it should be. There is nothing that turns me off of a developer or game series more than a botched game, and no amount of future adverts or bonus content can fix that. A quality product is better than a promise of one.

sarkwalvein · May 1, 2016

FAST6191 said:
"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever."

Oh, I remember. That quote is from John Romero on Daikatana. /s

Noctosphere · May 1, 2016

DinohScene said:
On one side, I'm glad games get delayed.
More time for polishing and bug removal.

On the other side, it's a bit sloppy, promising much and delaying the hype.

Then again, these days, games come out and you need to get the DLCs in order to play it.
Weak excuse for an unfinished game.
Or the games get pushed out far to quick after one another.
Yes I'm looking at you COD and Asscreed.

Well, personally, being a blizzard fan, I never got disappointed by them, no delayed game, no unfinished game, beta access to nearly finished game that just require balance and small bug fix, and so far, I saw only one DLC, Nova Cover Ops on Starcraft 2, but this DLC is used to make the game even longer, since the whole game is now finished. So, yeah, never got disappointed by them

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Prans said:
Games go through a lot. They go on hold, have their release date delayed or simply get cancelled.

that link, it ends with Super Mario 128 for Gamecube, never heard of it but would certainly have bought it

CitizenSnips · May 1, 2016

I don't really get too upset over a delayed game, because they're probably going to use that time to try to make the game better before release and i'd prefer a game to be as good as it can. Although, I do get a bit disappointed if it's a really anticipated game.

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BLsquared · May 1, 2016

FAST6191 said:
"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever."
In these days of common patches, DLC, expansion packs, rolling releases and "sequels" I am not sure that is so true. It is hardly ideal but not the same as burning a few thousand ROMs and sending them to machines with no menu/capacity for updates.

While that is partially true, Miyamoto's quote still works even today, as that is not the only thing to which he could have been referring to.
It is said that a person forms their impression of something within the first 30 seconds of contact, and will generally hold this opinion formed of the object from then on.
Apply this to video games; if a game is released and faces much community scrutiny due to being unfinished or buggy, then those people who invested into it will from now on have one set view of the title. Yes, today companies can push out patches, updates, and DLC's, but the both the game and its studio's credibility has dropped in the eyes of the viewer. This leads some, if not many of the original investors to not even try it for a second round, new/fixed content or not. This is what is happening with so many of the new Early Alpha games that are coming out today, and why many larger companies hesitate to try this new format. True, with Early Alphas at least they are admitting to an unfinished product, but that first impression still counts.
So, at the core, it is a matter about trust and credibility.
A bad game is a bad game forever indeed.

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