Milk is bad for you

Aurora Wright · Feb 13, 2016

Foxi4 said:
Is that why 92% of strict vegans have B12 defficiency and vegan babies keep dying for no reason? Yes, we do need to eat meat and animal produce, the only reason why vegetarians and vegans are even able to live in society today is because we've developed pharmaceutical (supplements) and dietary (processed soy, fungi, bean and nut products of all-sorts) methods of letting those bad eggs survive.

Evolutionary scientists and anthropologists agree that cooked food, meat and animal produce is what made us humans - it allowed us to supply our bodies with a sufficient amount of nutrients in an easily digestable fashion, made our mouths shrink, our digestive system shorten and our brains explode in size and neuron count. In contrast, gorillas who are stuck on a raw plant diet have smaller brains with fever neurons and have to forage for up to 8 hours a day - not a lot of evolving there.

http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

Even chimps, some of the smarter primates, are able to conceptualize and appreciate fire - they prefer cooked food to non-cooked food and will happily eat grilled meat.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...s-can-cook-and-prefer-cooked-food-study-shows

In conclusion:

Fire + Cooking + Animal Produce = Smart Humans, like myself

Foraging for nuts and berries like an ape = Stupid Humans, like vegans or vegetarians

If you don't eat meat, you're two steps below me and one step below a monkey. Let that sink in.

I pretty much agreed with you until now, but I don't really do now...
Yes, it's true that eating meat was crucial in making us have more neurons and stuff, and "become humans", but this doesn't imply that now we *must* eat meat. We surely *can*, but if someone doesn't like to be a cause of killing animals for eating, it's just their moral views. I only can't accept when someone implies that their moral views are "universal", and so that they're "right", and I'm "wrong".
And as far as I know, vegetarians have much less of a risk of B12 deficiency than vegans.
I don't see how not eating meat makes one "stupid" or "a monkey" (and monkeys aren't "stupid" in their own terms, we consider them as stupid because they can't do things we consider as important).

V0ltr0n · Feb 13, 2016

Moral views. Lmao. It's up to every individual what they eat, but by cutting out certain things from your diet does NOT make everyone else "less than". FACT: no matter what new age anti-animal-based-food bs you believe, it will NEVER stop the harvesting and slaughter of animals for human consumption. This bs should have been a blog in the first place. Yeah, it IS off-topic chat, but is this section meant to be used as a soapbox to spout propaganda? And I only need 1 fact to back up my thought if anyone thinks otherwise and that meat will be eradicated by bleeding heart vegans. McDonald's and every other fast food chain says hi. {drops mic}

Aurora Wright · Feb 13, 2016

V0ltr0n said:
Moral views. Lmao. It's up to every individual what they eat, but by cutting out certain things from your diet does NOT make everyone else "less than". FACT: no matter what new age anti-animal-based-food bs you believe, it will NEVER stop the harvesting and slaughter of animals for human consumption. This bs should have been a blog in the first place. Yeah, it IS off-topic chat, but is this section meant to be used as a soapbox to spout propaganda? And I only need 1 fact to back up my thought if anyone thinks otherwise and that meat will be eradicated by bleeding heart vegans. McDonald's and every other fast food chain says hi. {drops mic}

I guess you don't understand. I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian, but not all of them think that what they personally do will "eradicate meat consumption". They just personally don't want to be a cause for killing animals for food, because they feel responsible. I don't feel guilty about it, but I think that everyone should do what they think is right *for themselves*.

Arras · Feb 13, 2016

Ssssuper said:
My first reply had a source. And I'm going to keep giving you guys scientific studies.

THIRD OF ALL milk can weaken the bones.
Look at this scientific study:
'Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/815447

Also this study suggests that milk does not strengthen your bones.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182

I don't understand? That first link just sends me to a page about E.Coli research.

Foxi4 · Feb 13, 2016

Aurora Wright said:
I pretty much agreed with you until now, but I don't really do now...
Yes, it's true that eating meat was crucial in making us have more neurons and stuff, and "become humans", but this doesn't imply that now we *must* eat meat. We surely *can*, but if someone doesn't like to be a cause of killing animals for eating, it's just their moral views. I only can't accept when someone implies that their moral views are "universal", and so that they're "right", and I'm "wrong".
And as far as I know, vegetarians have much less of a risk of B12 deficiency than vegans.
I don't see how not eating meat makes one "stupid" or "a monkey" (and monkeys aren't "stupid" in their own terms, we consider them as stupid because they can't do things we consider as important).

It goes directly against our nature as a species - we're omnivores who evolved to eat cooked food, plants *and* meat alike, that's why we have enzymes that allow us to do so. If you're human and you don't follow a balanced, omnivore diet, unless you have a medical condition that restricts your diet, you are going directly against tens of thousands of years of evolution. If your diet has more in common with a gorilla than with a human, I have the right to consider that diet inferior and it's a perfectly valid reason for me to think less of you. As you've said, a plant-based diet is entirely a decision based on one's moral values, and I find that particular choice primitive and unsophisticated because in my grim world of egocentrism and mild psychopathy, animals have only one right - to be delicious. I'm also exaggerating for comedic effect, but there is a kernel of truth in there nonetheless. Have you ever noticed how the amount of bullshit people spout about their diet is inversely proportional to the amount of meat they eat and directly proportional to how big of an asshole they are? I have.

V0ltr0n · Feb 13, 2016

If you don't like eating meat or any animal product for whatever reason, fine. The only reason to announce it to the masses it to either 1 try to get epeen or troll those that eat a "normal" diet. Or both. Preaching about the evils of animal consumption will not convert ppl into vegans, so what was really the point? If i say " carz emit toxic fumez guise, stop driving cause i did and im now superior to those that drive." Okay, that may be my moral standing, but what impact is announcing it gona make? Nothing positive would come of it. We are a species that consumes and uses anything and everything at our disposal. If you participate in these activities or not will make no difference. Certainly won't change anyone else. Alot of ppl that make games consume meat, so you better stop playing games too. It's the morally superior thing to do.

Foxi4 · Feb 13, 2016

V0ltr0n said:
If you don't like eating meat or any animal product for whatever reason, fine. The only reason to announce it to the masses it to either 1 try to get epeen or troll those that eat a "normal" diet. Or both. Preaching about the evils of animal consumption will not convert ppl into vegans, so what was really the point? If i say " carz emit toxic fumez guise, stop driving cause i did and im now superior to those that drive." Okay, that may be my moral standing, but what impact is announcing it gona make? Nothing positive would come of it. We are a species that consumes and uses anything and everything at our disposal. If you participate in these activities or not will make no difference. Certainly won't change anyone else. Alot of ppl that make games consume meat, so you better stop playing games too. It's the morally superior thing to do.

I would lump animal testing into this, actually. Almost every convenience you have in life is the result of animal testing somewhere down the line, so if you're against it for moral reasons because "animals are people too", you should stop using all the inventions that were a result of animal testing. You're using a GPS because the USSR and NASA sent animals into space, you're using a cellphone because scientists stuck a phone to a monkey's head to check if its brain will get fried, you're using drugs when you're ill and you're getting vaccinated to build your immunity because scientists stuck some needles into a couple of animals and then exposed them to pathogens. If you're against that, reject the fruits of it - go live in a cave like the ape you are, not genetically, but mentally.

Depravo · Feb 13, 2016

Milk is a gateway drug to harder substances. Like cheese.

GhostLatte · Feb 13, 2016

I'm suprised that this thread hasn't been moved to the EoF yet.

BurningDesire · Feb 13, 2016

@FAST6191 THIS BETTER BE IN GOLDEN THREADS 2016

spotanjo3 · Feb 13, 2016

tbb043 said:
Cows can't be raped. No animal can be raped. Rape, like murder, is a term and concept that only applies to humans.

I disagreed with you. Animal can be raped and it's called beastility. If you kill dogs, cats, and any pets and it is called murder. You are an odd human being who doesn't understand the animal kingdoms!

sarkwalvein · Feb 13, 2016

azoreseuropa said:
I disagreed with you. Animal can be raped and it's called beastility. If you kill dogs, cats, and any pets and it is called murder. You are odd human being who doesn't understand the animal kingdoms!

So, you are telling me that cows are raped, in other words some humans have forced intercourse with them, in order for me to drink my milk.
Ugh... that sounds nasty. Still worth me enjoying my latte macchiato.
/s

BurningDesire · Feb 13, 2016

sarkwalvein said:
So, you are telling me that cows are raped, in other words some humans have forced intercourse with them, in order for me to drink my milk.
Ugh... that sounds nasty. Still worth me enjoying my latte macchiato.
/s

It's why we have furries. They do the raping so we normal people can enjoy tasty good for you milk.

Foxi4 · Feb 13, 2016

azoreseuropa said:
I disagreed with you. Animal can be raped and it's called beastility. If you kill dogs, cats, and any pets and it is called murder. You are an odd human being who doesn't understand the animal kingdoms!

Incorrect - bestiality and rape are two distinct categories and you cannot murder an animal, that's animal abuse - these two are not terms used in the context of animals in the legal system. "Rape" and "murder" entail personhood of the victim, and animals don't have personhood because they're not people.

endoverend · Feb 13, 2016

Foxi4 said:
Incorrect - bestiality and rape are two distinct categories and you cannot murder an animal, that's animal abuse - these two are not terms used in the context of animals in the legal system.

Wait wait wait, how the FUCK did this start

FusionGamer · Feb 13, 2016

Foxi4 said:
Foraging for nuts and berries like an ape = Stupid Humans, like vegans or vegetarians

I have coded and released several apps. I'm also a System Administrator for my website. I'm buying parts to build my own PC.

Looks like I'm smarter than most people in the thread....... And I'm on a Plant+Egg based diet.

Minox · Feb 13, 2016

I don't drink too much milk because my body can't handle it too well, but holy hell who cares if someone drinks milk or not.

BurningDesire · Feb 13, 2016

Minox said:
I don't drink too much milk because my body can't handle it too well, but holy hell who cares if someone drinks milk or not.

People who wear tin foil hats.

Foxi4 · Feb 13, 2016

FusionGamer said:
I have coded and released several apps. I'm also a System Administrator for my website. I'm buying parts to build my own PC.

Looks like I'm smarter than most people in the thread....... And I'm on a Plant+Egg based diet.

Not smart enough to know that eggs are animal protein, it seems. Maybe you wouldn't be offended by my post if you read the whole thing - eggs are animal produce, they're nutritious and good for you, they're a reasonable substitute for people with moral qualms over eating flesh.

BurningDesire · Feb 13, 2016

I have February break this week. This thread shall be my entertainment

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