Hacking Potential reason for random errors on N3DS after downgrading?

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I can't seem to find it. (I made sure to match the TitleID)
Are they any other ways to locate and confirm beforehand?

If you mean the amiibo settings, I think its CTR-N-HA3P for EUR consoles. You need to set the destination to nand and the action to "delete title".

Tbh it shouldn't be that big of a deal if you leave it since nothing on 9.2 can call or reference it.

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noob here!

So I plan on buying a 10.3 n3ds xl and want to downgrade it to 9.2 so I can put reiNand on it. Can I just downgrade with the 9.2 N3ds updates or I need to put the 2 missing files from 03ds?

It's actually 4 files and you can do it either way. I would suggest using a 9.2 N3DS package from that iso site to downgrade, then using the downgrade checker tool in this thread to check for any titles that were left. If everything went smoothly you should see at most 5 titles show up in the log it generates, maybe less if the dude who maintains the update/downgrade packs has finally added the extra titles. One will be the amiibo settings and can either be deleted with fbi (or just left alone tbh), and the others can be gotten from a 9.2 O3DS pack. Just place the titles it lists in sd:\updates\ and run sysupdater.

If you want you can post the log here and I will verify if the titles in question can be gotten from the O3DS pack. As a general rule of thumb though, if the TitleID follows the following pattern you can pull it from an O3DS pack: 0040####0#######. TitlesIDs with the following pattern must come from a N3DS pack: 0040####2#######.
 
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If you mean the amiibo settings, I think its CTR-N-HA3P for EUR consoles. You need to set the destination to nand and the action to "delete title".

Tbh it shouldn't be that big of a deal if you leave it since nothing on 9.2 can call or reference it.

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It's actually 4 files and you can do it either way. I would suggest using a 9.2 N3DS package from that iso site to downgrade, then using the downgrade checker tool in this thread to check for any titles that were left. If everything went smoothly you should see at most 5 titles show up in the log it generates, maybe less if the dude who maintains the update/downgrade packs has finally added the extra titles. One will be the amiibo settings and can either be deleted with fbi (or just left alone tbh), and the others can be gotten from a 9.2 O3DS pack. Just place the titles it lists in sd:\updates\ and run sysupdater.

If you want you can post the log here and I will verify if the titles in question can be gotten from the O3DS pack. As a general rule of thumb though, if the TitleID follows the following pattern you can pull it from an O3DS pack: 0040####0#######. TitlesIDs with the following pattern must come from a N3DS pack: 0040####2#######.

1) And when running sysupdater for those 4 files, I just downgrade again right? But only those 4 files this time.

2) Can those 4 files cause any problem if I just let them stay there?

thank you for clarifying.
 

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Do I select "update or "downgrade"?

Does it actually matter?
I don't know if it matters, but since you are downgrading you press downgrade.

Although I didn't experience any werid behavior after downgrading my N3DS from 9.9 to 9.2, I ran the check.
Only got the DSP and GPIO mismatch. After manually downgrading with the files from O3DS there are no more mismatches.
Also, everything is working fine afterwards.

What kind of random errors are we talking about exactly?
 
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Did anyone try to install the older/proper CIAs on sysnand using Gateway + DevMenu_2x.3ds ?
I know sysupdater can't be used in conjunction with GW otherwise it bricks, but I downgraded MSET using DevMenu_2x.3ds from GW red card and it worked just fine.
 

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Did anyone try to install the older/proper CIAs on sysnand using Gateway + DevMenu_2x.3ds ?
I know sysupdater can't be used in conjunction with GW otherwise it bricks, but I downgraded MSET using DevMenu_2x.3ds from GW red card and it worked just fine.

I'm not quite sure what you mean, because, as you already said, using sysupdater in GW classic mode would brick the 3DS.
 
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1) And when running sysupdater for those 4 files, I just downgrade again right? But only those 4 files this time.

2) Can those 4 files cause any problem if I just let them stay there?

thank you for clarifying.

Yep, just those 4 files. Honestly it is unknown exactly what errors might be caused by leaving those four files, but two of them are system modules and one handles some sort of I/O process, so I would just downgrade them to be safe.

Do I select "update or "downgrade"?

Does it actually matter?

I do not think I matters, but I would select downgrade to be safe.

Did anyone try to install the older/proper CIAs on sysnand using Gateway + DevMenu_2x.3ds ?
I know sysupdater can't be used in conjunction with GW otherwise it bricks, but I downgraded MSET using DevMenu_2x.3ds from GW red card and it worked just fine.
I'm not quite sure what you mean, because, as you already said, using sysupdater in GW classic mode would brick the 3DS.

sysupdater only causes bricks with GW when you use it to try and update sysnand while in gw or classic mode when performing a full downgrade/update. The same happens with rxTools in rxmode. This has to do with gateway (and rxMode) using firmlaunch to load a firmware binary from the sd card, and in the process prevents the system from read/writing to the firm0/firm1 partitions of the nand chip. So when you update while in sysnand with gateway (or rxMode), the new native_firm does not get written to the firm0/firm1 partitions and the updated system titles then cannot launch because they fail the firm check. This would happen even if you used system settings to update sysnand while in GW Mode or Classic Mode (or rxMode with rxTools). Traditionally to avoid this if you needed to use sysypdater with sysnand you would load it with miniPasta.

That said since you are only installing 4 titles, and none of them are a native_firm, you are PROBABLY fine. I would still just either load sysupdater with miniPasta though (or just use the .3dsx version you used to downgrade, it should still work).

I would make a nand backup of your 9.2 sysnand before doing anything, just to be safe.

What kind of random errors are we talking about exactly?

For a while after the downgrade process was announced there were a LOT of weird random issues people were reporting/complaining about after trying to use cfw on a downgraded system. Things like the 3d not working at (like the known bug but with sleep mode not fixing it), certain keys not working on the home menu but working in games/apps, being unable to install unsigned titles after the downgrade or being completely unable to install/setup CFW. I realized early on that the N3DS SOAP replies had culled a lot of titles with the assumption that any title not updated since 7.x was preinstalled as if on a 1.0 O3DS system. So I wondered exactly how many titles were being left in an updated state as a result of this and decided to start compiling complete lists of installed titles on a factory 9.0 system (since 9.2 is just two titles different and my N3DS came with 9.0 making it easy to work with on my end).

Another awesome dude took it a step further and used those lists to make a tool to check the system for any titles that did not get downgraded.
 
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That said since you are only installing 4 titles, and none of them are a native_firm, you are PROBABLY fine.
Yes indeed, I took the risk as it made sense. I put devmenu_2x.3ds on the GW card, booted in GW mode to sysnand and installed the 4 CIAs with devmenu_2x from there. Happy to report it worked just fine (also deleted the amiibo settings with FBI while I was at it).

Ok now maybe this is a placebo effect, but it seems to me the apps are launching a bit faster now (time on the 3DS boot logo decreased) !?
In any case, thank you very much for your dedication to "unfrankenstein" our downgraded fw Aroth, much appreciated ;D
 

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Has anyone done a downgrade on a N3DS and mic/home button not work? For whatever reason the downgrade checker done work for unless I'm doing something wrong, I launch it from homebrew and it says a quite a few missing CIA, but I 'can't make a log of whats actually missing.


It did make a log, my bad. How can I research what's missing?

Click "Show" for missing titles.

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Has anyone done a downgrade on a N3DS and mic/home button not work? For whatever reason the downgrade checker done work for unless I'm doing something wrong, I launch it from homebrew and it says a quite a few missing CIA, but I 'can't make a log of whats actually missing.


It did make a log, my bad. How can I research what's missing?

Click "Show" for missing titles.

Title ID 0x00137a2c00137a2c
Extra title
Title ID 0x00001c0100000000
Extra title
Title ID 0x00001c0100000000
Extra title
Title ID 0x0000280100000000
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Title ID 0x0000240100000000
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Title ID 0x0000280100000000
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Title ID 0x0000140100000000
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Title ID 0x0000200100000000
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Title ID 0x0000100100000000
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Title ID 0x0000280100000000
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Title ID 0x0000100100000000
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Title ID 0x0000200100000000
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Title ID 0x0000240100000000
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Title ID 0x0004013820000202
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No idea what the extra titles are, but that looks like you are missing EVERY title that is needed.
 

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Yes, but homebrew and cfw work...no freezes. Nothing. No home button n mic is not working. Has to be related to the downgrade. Since emu is a clone of system, i have same problem.

Well it says you are missing 132 titles, and the total number of installed system titles on a 9.2 N3DS system is 132. In other words it is saying your NAND is missing EVERY title. Sounds to me like the checker is not working right, possibly because it isn't getting the permissions it needs to run properly.

Until you can figure out why that is happening it will be very hard to pinpoint where your button issue is coming from.

If I had to take a guess though, it would be that something went wrong with the downgrade.
 
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Well it says you are missing 132 titles, and the total number of installed system titles on a 9.2 N3DS system is 132. In other words it is saying your NAND is missing EVERY title. Sounds to me like the checker is not working right, possibly because it isn't getting the permissions it needs to run properly.

Until you can figure out why that is happening it will be very hard to pinpoint where your button issue is coming from.

If I had to take a guess though, it would be that something went wrong with the downgrade.
I assume i cant run sysupdater and reinstall all 9.2 files as a update? Would it over write and install all files again or not?
 

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I believe im in some sort of frankenfirmware still, I just did a regular system update, that took about 2 seconds to complete. That should'nt be right going from 9.2 to 10.5
 

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I have yet to see any1 say thay have a complete clean downgrader check.I ran that and about 10 files said it was mismatch even thou i have emunand and everything working great.
 

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