Hardware PSA: Gateway Is Making More Bricks

duffmmann · Nov 29, 2015

If the ability to simply brick the clone cards is indeed possible, then I all the more agree with the thought that what they are doing is inexcusable. Of course in this line of system altering you shouldn't be too shocked that such crappy shit can happen, just sucks to actually see it practiced, as I said, Gateway should only focus on attacking the competitor's cards that are clones of their own, not the individual user, why should a user's entire system be made useless? Does gateway honestly believe that if they brick your system via a clone card, that you're going to go put money down on a new system and then go purchase their flash card? The thought of that is ridiculous and baffling, you can't bully the consumer into buying your product, just keep making the best product you can, and you'll still make your money, and, as an added bonus, public opinion of your company won't sour either. I mean, you don't see Coke poisoning the Pepsi supply because they believe Pepsi ripped off their beverage.

Armadillo · Nov 29, 2015

Gateway haven't destroyed anything though. This is on Supercard.

Gateway released software for their product. It works fine there.

Supercard took it, told people to use it on a product it's not designed for and well this is the result. It's down to supercard to check that their product is safe.

duffmmann · Nov 29, 2015

Armadillo said:
Gateway haven't destroyed anything though. This is on Supercard.

Gateway released software for their product. It works fine there.

Supercard took it, told people to use it on a product it's not designed for and well this is the result. It's down to supercard to check what they are releasing is safe.

Not saying the clones are free of blame, but Gateway has made it so they can brick any console with a clone card. Even if we operate under the belief that this is an ethical practice, the punishment absolutely does not fit the crime. Using a cloned card shouldn't mean the death of your entire system, just the clone card itself, the consumer will be out the money they paid for on the cloned card, they'll have learned their lesson and if for some reason they still want a flash card, they'd probably this time around get the gateway card. However, when gateway's practices have bricked your entire system, not only are you out the money you paid on the clone card, but you also have to buy a whole new system. And does anyone really believe that these people whose systems were bricked and find out it's because Gateway put a measure in to do so for clones, that after they buy a new 3DS, that they'll now happily also give Gateway some money too? Like thanks for making me needlessly spend a hundred some dollars, have another fifty dollars (or whatever they go for) from me, the way you destroyed my system is really appreciated, of course I'll now give you money.

Deleted User · Nov 29, 2015

The bricking worked for Gateway last time. Clones died off as word of mouth got around of the bricking, and Gateway just kept going strong.

The exact thing will happen now, with some DSTWO+ users as collateral damage. Gateway doesn't care, they are a business.

Gateway users are perfectly safe, DSTWO+ users on the other hand...

Arras · Nov 29, 2015

Armadillo said:
Gateway haven't destroyed anything though. This is on Supercard.

Gateway released software for their product. It works fine there.

Supercard took it, told people to use it on a product it's not designed for and well this is the result. It's down to supercard to check that their product is safe.

I mean yeah, it's kinda SCs fault because really, they should have known this would happen as it's happened before, but Gateway 100% intended to brick people's consoles with this. Both are very much at fault.

duffmmann · Nov 30, 2015

json said:
The bricking worked for Gateway last time. Clones died off as word of mouth got around of the bricking, and Gateway just kept going strong.

The exact thing will happen now, with some DSTWO+ users as collateral damage. Gateway doesn't care, they are a business

Not saying they won't or can't get away with it. Just saying they are definitely practices I don't agree with, and as such I'd never personally give the company any of my money.

It's too bad more people didn't operate with this kind of reasoning though, Gateway shouldn't be rewarded with more sales for such shady practices, and in an era where cfws are so easily achievable, it's a shame that so many users are even bothering wasting money on flashcards to begin with.

Armadillo · Nov 30, 2015

duffmmann said:
Not saying the clones are free of blame, but Gateway has made it so they can brick any console with a clone card. Even if we operate under the belief that this is an ethical practice, the punishment absolutely does not fit the crime. Using a cloned card shouldn't mean the death of your entire system, just the clone card itself,

Agreed, it's harsh but that's down to the clone cards to make sure it doesn't happen and what they are releasing is safe.

Gateway's responsibility begins and ends with their users. It shouldn't end with the death of your system, but the responsiblity to make sure it doesn't, is with the clones team.

Arras said:
I mean yeah, it's kinda SCs fault because really, they should have known this would happen as it's happened before, but Gateway 100% intended to brick people's consoles with this. Both are very much at fault.

Even if they do 100% intend for their protection to brick, Supercard bricks are still down to supercard, not Gateway. Supercard are releasing a product, it's on them to make sure their software is safe.

Save gets deleted at the end of Earthbound, because you have a pirate copy. Nintendo's fault because it's intentional? No, your fault for using a pirate copy.

Clone teams just want to have their cake and eat it.

"look at our amazing features at half the price, but if it goes wrong, blame Gateway".

I won't argue that the ap is harsh, it is, incredibly so.

But the responsibility for a product, ends with the manfacturer, in this case Supercard. You can't pass the blame to someone else when your product goes wrong using software not designed for it.

Deboog · Nov 30, 2015

Gateway is like a car factory that makes dangerous cars to save a few bucks and Supercard is like a dealership that sells the cars knowing they're dangerous. Both of them are morally wrong, but the customer who doesn't look up the recall is still stupid.

TheCasketMan · Nov 30, 2015

Can my n3ds get bricked if I only use the DS, GBA, and SNES portions?

Deleted User · Nov 30, 2015

duffmmann said:
Not saying they won't or can't get away with it. Just saying they are definitely practices I don't agree with, and as such I'd never personally give the company any of my money.

It's too bad more people didn't operate with this kind of reasoning though, Gateway shouldn't be rewarded with more sales for such shady practices, and in an era where cfws are so easily achievable, it's a shame that so many users are even bothering wasting money on flashcards to begin with.

Gateway did all the effort for discovering and releasing the kernel exploits, bootrom keys, and so on. CFW's only exist because of Gateway.

You say it is wasting money, but in reality it was investing in the 3DS scene.

gamesquest1 · Nov 30, 2015

TheCasketMan said:
Can my n3ds get bricked if I only use the DS, GBA, and SNES portions?

you will be fine using the stuff supercard made themselves (i.e the NDS stuff), but using gateway launcher with a DSTwo is not safe

and if/when they put out a update claiming to be safe again.....i would think twice before using it same crap happened with the R4 gold deluxe they put out 3 "revisions" claiming to have fixed the brick code, each time resulting in even more bricks

WiiUBricker · Nov 30, 2015

What's PSA?

Xenon Hacks · Nov 30, 2015

WiiUBricker said:
What's PSA?

Public Service Announcement

gamesquest1 · Nov 30, 2015

WiiUBricker said:
What's PSA?

public service announcement , though the title doesn't exactly accurately describe the issue to raise awareness properly, without entering the thread you could be excused for thinking gateway users have been bricked instead of DSTwo users.....tbh even the first post doesn't even explain exactly what has happened so far

Xenon Hacks · Nov 30, 2015

Kelton2 said:
that's not an excuse

So let me get this straight if i'm an ammo manufacturer and I sell explosive shotgun rounds specially made for a very specific pistol and tell people using my ammo DON'T PUT THIS AMMO INTO A DIFFERENT GUN IT WILL EXPLODE WHEN YOU FIRE IT! and some jackass tries to fire the ammo from a .45 and the gun explodes the ammo manufacturer is at fault?

Wekker · Nov 30, 2015

Wellington2k said:
While I understand Gateway wanting to protect their property, purposefully destroying a person's 3DS is inexcusable.

Thsi gatecrap is a worst piracy crap company i know.

Xenon Hacks said:
So let me get this straight if i'm an ammo manufacturer and I sell explosive shotgun rounds specially made for a very specific pistol and tell people using my ammo DON'T PUT THIS AMMO INTO A DIFFERENT GUN IT WILL EXPLODE! and some jackass tries to fire the ammo from a .45 and the gun explodes the ammo manufacturer is at fault?

There is different between of a shooting with a gun that has a wrong type of bullet that MIGHT explode or NOT working than a bullet that is MADE to DESTROY your gun if it is the wrong type of gun.

If enough retards here accept that this is moral acceptable. Just wait the nintencrap to start doing this aswell.

viral777 · Nov 30, 2015

as long as you have an original Gateway cart, there shouldn't be a problem right

Queno138 · Nov 30, 2015

Wekker said:
Thsi gatecrap is a worst piracy crap company i know.

There is different between of a shooting with a gun that has a wrong type of bullet that MIGHT explode or NOT working than a bullet that is MADE to DESTROY your gun if it is the wrong type of gun.

If enough retards here accept that this is moral acceptable. Just wait the nintencrap to start doing this aswell.

In that sense, it's like a grenade.

If you use it as per normal usage, it'll work fine.

Temper with it, or even worse sell off a tempered version, and you won't know when it'll explode and who it'll harm.

TeamScriptKiddies · Nov 30, 2015

Wellington2k said:
While I understand Gateway wanting to protect their property, purposefully destroying a person's 3DS is inexcusable.

I agree, if they want to take action to stop cloning, brick the clone cards themselves and leave peoples 3ds' alone. Deactivate the clone cards IMO is fair game, but bricking a customer's entire system is beyond f******.

If I had a 3ds, and didn't sign a contract barring me from buying flashcards, modding stuff for Nintendo platforms, I would by a clone card in protest just to spite Gateway for this illegal activity

Deleted User · Nov 30, 2015

viral777 said:
as long as you have an original Gateway cart, there shouldn't be a problem right

Correct, the GW ULTRA 3.5.1 release is out for more than 2 weeks, and no bricks reported with genuine GW users.

After the DSTWO+ 1.04 plugin release, the first DSTWO+ related brick was reported 5 days later.

So I'd say it's perfectly safe for genuine GW users

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