Hardware PSA: Gateway Is Making More Bricks

Who's at fault?

  • Gateway

    Votes: 156 40.3%
  • Supercard

    Votes: 173 44.7%
  • The user, not using an open sorce CFW

    Votes: 147 38.0%

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"Users are stupid. It's their own fault if they brick with my software".
Marcan's blog I posted above goes into great depth on why that's a crappy and unethical philosophy for a dev to have.

I agree with you that DS2plus and GW are also unethical in their contributions to bricking. Def no argument there and no surprise coming from folks who profit from warez.

@gudenaurock - I agree it's a good step to be open source because it leaves the door open to improvement, but the dangerous code shouldn't be released in the first place.

That's my point; they aren't bricking from improper use of rxTools, they are bricking from improper use of sysupdater/FBI/BBM/DevMenu. There's a difference.
 

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@gamesquest1 I'm sure someone is willing to donate a DSTWO+ to you for science :)
its all good, sounds like hundshamer is game for a bit o' brick testing, but its really better to per-emtively find out, too late now for the 2 people who have been bricked
That's my point; they aren't bricking from improper use of rxTools, they are bricking from improper use of sysupdater/FBI/BBM/DevMenu. There's a difference.
well there was a bug at one point in one of the nand injection tools that resulted in a few bricks where the file was copied wrong or something or other.......but then people have very little room to complain when they are using a free CFW, sure you could try blame them, but then its free and you look like a tw*t, plus at the time those features were warned to be very early beta features and to only use them if you had a nand mod
 
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Now, don't get me wrong,I do feel bad for users affected by these kinds of things, but after the first wave of gateway and clone related bricks, I don't understand why people continue to buy such 3DS flash cards especially when installing a CFW with auto boot EmuNAND is now so easily achievable without the need for any flash card. Granted, you may want a DS flash card in such a case to play all your favorite DS titles (I personally use an R4i gold card in mine), but DS flash cards have no risk of bricking your 3DS. I guess I'm just saying that I'm glad I held off on ever getting a Gateway especially when all those first bricks occurred.
 
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Now, don't get me wrong,I do feel bad for users affected by these kinds of things, but after the first wave of gateway and clone related bricks, I don't understand why people continue to buy such 3DS flash cards especially when installing a CFW with auto boot EmuNAND is now so easily achievable without the need for any flash card. Granted, you may want a DS flash card in such a case to play all your favorite DS titles (I personally use an R4i gold card in mine), but DS flash cards have no risk of bricking your 3DS. I guess I'm just saying that I'm glad I held off on ever getting a Gateway especially when all those first bricks occurred.
To be fair those first bricks were in the same scenario, people buying fake cards from unofficial sellers.
 
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Now, don't get me wrong,I do feel bad for users affected by these kinds of things, but after the first wave of gateway and clone related bricks, I don't understand why people continue to buy such 3DS flash cards especially when installing a CFW with auto boot EmuNAND is now do easily achievable without the need for any flash card. Granted, you may want a DS flash card in such a case to play all your favorite DS titles (I personally use an R4i gold card in mine), but DS flash cards have no risk of bricking your 3DS. I guess I'm just saying that I'm glad I held off on ever getting a Gateway especially when all those first bricks occurred.

One advantage I could see is that flashcards allow you to play games directly from Slot-1. Copy roms to microSD card and you're done, you can play them.
Granted, it is a bit more of a hassle when it comes to online play, because you have to mess with dumping headers from one of your games and apply them to your roms, when .cias will just work online without any problems and are pretty much undetectable (I read on here that there was still a way Nintendo could detect private headers used on the wrong game, for example Steel Diver header on SSB4, but they have yet to act on it.)

I mean, they both have their ups and downs, flashcards let you play the games right away just from putting them on your microSD card, but online play is a hassle and can be risky business.
.cias can take forever to install (several hours, especially if you have a lot of games), but online play is pretty much guaranteed to work without running the risk of getting banned (I guess maybe unless they can check your 3DS's header and see if your 3DS is associated with a purchase of the game you are playing.)

Now, under normal circumstances, you would probably only have to install your .cias once and you're good, but sometimes you might have to re-install them a few times (I've fiddled with my setup a bit and had to re-install games a few times over the course of several weeks, which took a few hours every time) but the average user will probably only have to install them once.

There's also the advantage that CFW is almost completely free (you might need other things such as a DS flashcard or OOT/CN depending on your setup), while flashcards require you to spend money on buying their card. But I don't think the price should be considered when comparing them, because while flashcards have a high cost while CFW only has minimal costs, flashcards have the advantage of convenience, in a way.

Then you have >9.3 users which don't have a choice other than using a flashcard (Sky3DS), because nothing else will work. :P
 
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those affected legit users too, gamesquest1 did alot of testing and found out entering the gateway card test caused the bricks due to a bug
 
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those affected legit users too, gamesquest1 did alot of testing and found out entering the gateway card test caused the bricks due to a bug
Didn't that only hit like 2-4 people and gateway gave them "refunds" not counting the people who had fake cards.
 

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Now, don't get me wrong,I do feel bad for users affected by these kinds of things, but after the first wave of gateway and clone related bricks, I don't understand why people continue to buy such 3DS flash cards especially when installing a CFW with auto boot EmuNAND is now so easily achievable without the need for any flash card. Granted, you may want a DS flash card in such a case to play all your favorite DS titles (I personally use an R4i gold card in mine), but DS flash cards have no risk of bricking your 3DS. I guess I'm just saying that I'm glad I held off on ever getting a Gateway especially when all those first bricks occurred.
It can be a pain in the ass to set up cfw (and risky for the clumsier among us).
And GW users swear by their CCI's due to installation speed or something. While that's true -- once installed, a cia is more convenient because you don't have to traverse that hideous one-dimensional menu GW forces you to use.
 
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Didn't that only hit like 2-4 people and gateway gave them "refunds" not counting the people who had fake cards.
well afaik everyone with a genuine gateway got some form of compensation, although @retrofan_k had to wait a very long time before he got anything as apparently his 3DS went missing in the post (who knows what truly happened there) but even he eventually got a form of compensation in the form of 2 gateway cards iirc (better than nothing as this was about a year after he originally sent them his 3DS and it went missing), but none the less 3 people got their console replaced/repaired and one person got at least a small compensation with a unknown mystery about where his 3DS ended up
 
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http://gbatemp.net/threads/gateway-brick-on-b2-caught-on-camera-finally-d.362305/

it was alot more
general estimates around 100 or so people, maybe more
only people with status on the various sites had their 3ds replaced (reviewers, staff) everybody else who sent in their 3ds and gateway "got lost in the mail"
lets be honest i only ever seen one person get the "lost in the mail" line, and even he eventually got *something* out of them, and i dont think the figure of "hundreds" is correct (in relation to genuine gateway user bricks), i probably fixed about 12 consoles in total that suffered from brick code and all of those were from 3DSlink/R4GD users, yeah i did prove it was possible to trigger it with the official gateway launcher, but it was under a specific condition of running the diagnostics test, which i would say virtually nobody ever really does, not once in probably over 150 boots without running diagnostics on 2.0b2 did it ever brick randomly
 
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I remember there being a count somewhere, alot of people on the spanish forums also got bricks, those might have been fake cards or caused by r4i, 3dslink, or other clones though
 

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I remember there being a count somewhere, alot of people on the spanish forums also got bricks, those might have been fake cards or caused by r4i, 3dslink, or other clones though
Yeah it was deff in the low hundreds with people who had fake cards.
 

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yeah if i had to make an estimate, i would say low hundreds for clone users, and a handful of gateway users....probably about 10-20 max, some opted to fix it themselves or just sold it, but only confirmed cases i seen were all eventually dealt with by GW

lets not forget at the time there was even trolls jumping the bandwagon and getting outed for using images from google to claim legit GW bricks
 
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yeah if i had to make an estimate, i would say low hundreds for clone users, and a handful of gateway users....probably about 10-20 max, some opted to fix it themselves or just sold it, but only confirmed cases i seen were all eventually dealt with by GW
Yeah the Gateway team handled it very well and apologized that being said I doubt people will get the same treatment seeing as they have been warned already.
 

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