GBAtemp Debate Club: Syrian Refugee Crisis

TotalInsanity4 · Oct 18, 2015

This is one of the few major international issues that's on my radar, so I'm hoping attendance will be better this week than last week's

This week's topic:

Due to the Syrian Civil War, refugees are currently seeking shelter wherever they can. Do you believe your country should be doing more to help? Why or why not?

International Rescue Committee's Syria page: http://www.rescue.org/crisis-syria

"Germany struggles amid tide of Middle East refugees": http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...any-struggles-amid-tide-middle-east-refugees/

The rules are simple: Every week I will be posting a new topic for all of GBAtemp to debate on in a free-for-all style. There are no winners or losers, the sole purpose of these debates are to learn other's views about important issues. For each topic, I will be posting a list of resources to help you with your debates that may be added to upon request. After a week has passed, I will ask a moderator to close the thread so that a new topic may be created. I will also accept PMs of topics, as my understanding of controversial topics only extends to the US, I'd love to get some international issues in here too

Remember to keep it civil, take people's views into consideration, and above all, HAVE FUN!

Note: As the creator of the debate, I am going to try to remain non-partisan and only comment on this thread if I feel as though something someone has said needs clarification. All political views on my part for this debate and all moving forward are being chucked out the window. HOWEVER, if the debate is going slowly, I may from time-to-time assume the role of the side that most needs help.
I will participate in the polls, though, because polls are fun

Week 2: Gun Control
Week 1: Presidential Candidates

ComeTurismO · Oct 18, 2015

I personally believe that countries who are able, and prepared to take in refugees should bring in Syrian refugees. Syrians lost their homes, family, the land that had meaning to them. There are children who didn't have a childhood, and need a place to grow up.

Cyan · Oct 18, 2015

instead of giving home and salary to refugees, government should help their working citizen from sleeping in their car because they can't pay a bill.
Refugees have more attention and helps than other people. refugees are not the only poor one who need help.

we already have not enough space/place/work/etc. for ourselves, and we need to welcome more.
Ok, if they can go back to their country when they can. Refugees are refugees; not new citizen to naturalize in mass.
After taking refuge somewhere, you don't stay there.
If your husband hit you, you run to your neighbor, it's temporary. You don't start living there all your life. the neighbor is not your new family.

GhostLatte · Oct 18, 2015

I think that if the refugees want to come into another country for safety, they must work for that country in work centers and show support for that country.

Pacheko17 · Oct 18, 2015

I feel like big countries ( in size and with a good amount of money ) should take them in. Like Brazil, which has been taking a lot of people from Haiti, and those people are being very nice to the country ( Unlike some Syrian refugees that act like dissapointed tourists ). I live in Japan and I really don't feel like Japan should take them in, not because we can't, but because there isn't enough space... Well, even if we could, the japanese government wouldn't take them in because of how xenophobic Japan is.

plasma · Oct 18, 2015

I have mixed feelings on this topic, mainly due to the rise of ISIS over the past year. Earlier this year in February, ISIS said they were going to flood Europe with 500,000 migrants (or something along that number), and everyone took the piss and called it out to be bollocks - because lets face it, it sounded like make-believe.

However, now look at the situation. 'Refugees' are flooding Europe in places like Italy, UK, Hungary, Slovenia, Serbia etc etc. I understand why they left - for a better life style, but no European country, or any country for that matter have any form of background checks on these people. What if ISIS have used this to their advantage or that they actually stayed true to their word? We have no checks on the people coming in, so how are we meant to distinguish the genuine refugees, who I believe should be given somewhere to live etc etc, from bloodthirsty jihads who have used the crisis as a way to smuggle themselves into different countries to wreak havoc.

If there was a way to distinguish the difference, then I would be all for allowing the genuine refugees in to a country for a better life style, but as of now, it just poses too much of a security risk for anyone.

Cyan · Oct 18, 2015

Cherry Pie said:
I think that if ~~the refugees~~ anybody want to come into another country ~~for safety~~, they must work for that country and show support for that country.

that's what it should be. unfortunately, a lot of foreigner are here to bring their OWN culture and kill the host's one. they don't adapt, they expect the host to adapt to them.

You want to live in a country, adapt and like it.
You don't like what the country has to offer, pick another one. don't go where you don't like.

Deleted member 473940 · Oct 18, 2015

Cyan said:
instead of giving home and salary to refuges, government should help their working citizen from sleeping in their car because they can't pay a bill.
Refugees have more attention and helps than other people. refugees are not the only poor one who need help.

we already have not enough space/place/work/etc. for ourselves, and we need to welcome more.
Ok, if they can go back to their country when they can. Refugees are refugees; not new citizen to naturalize in mass.
After taking refuge somewhere, you don't stay there.
If your husband hit you, you run to your neighbor, it's temporary. You don't start living there all your life. the neighbor is not your new family.

How many times do you actually see refugees going back?

This is a topic that I generally avoid. I am not racist. I am not nationalist. I do not discriminate against religion or anything for that matter. But if I speak my mind on this matter, I will sound heartless and probably sound everything that I am not.

DinohScene · Oct 18, 2015

People will call me a racist for it but no.
If West Europe would collide into a war and we would flee to Syria etc, they wouldn't help us either.
Heck they prolly put the death penalty on me for just entering their country ._.

Real refugees come crawling towards the borders, not via plane/boat trip that costed them tons.

Deleted member 473940 · Oct 18, 2015

DinohScene said:
People will call me a racist for it but no.
If West Europe would collide into a war and we would flee to Syria etc, they wouldn't help us either.
Heck they prolly put the death penalty on me for just entering their country ._.

Real refugees come crawling towards the borders, not via plane/boat trip that costed them tons.

lol see post above you

vayanui8 · Oct 18, 2015

They aren't our citizens, and aren't our problem. I feel bad for them and wish them the best of luck but our government funds are for our citizens and because someone else's country is fucked up doesn't mean we have to fix their problem. I'd be glad to have a charity for them or some other optional service, but our government needs to worry more about our own citizens first.l, and they're already horribly inefficient at that.

DinohScene · Oct 18, 2015

ShawnTRods said:
lol see post above you

I actually was going to say something about refugees never going back as well.

I'm all for migration n what not, seeing I wanted to migrate to the US for me ex back in december.
But refugees should seek refuge in the nearest safe country, atleast that's what I would do n what not ._.

Deleted member 473940 · Oct 18, 2015

DinohScene said:
I actually was going to say something about refugees never going back as well.

I'm all for migration n what not, seeing I wanted to migrate to the US for me ex back in december.
But refugees should seek refuge in the nearest safe country, atleast that's what I would do n what not ._.

I have gone to school/college/uni with a lot of Afghan people that came here as refugees and never went back.

Heck, they brought their uncles, cousins, sisters, wives etc

DinohScene · Oct 18, 2015

ShawnTRods said:
I have gone to school/college/uni with a lot of Afghan people that came here as refugees and never went back.

Heck, they brought their uncles, cousins, sisters, wives etc

Yeh, I know the exact same thing.
I got 1 or 2 muslim friends.
Their extremely nice towards me tho.
Also went to school with "refugees" from Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq n what not.
Somehow, they where the biggest dicks ;/
Luckily, it was only for 2 years before others took their place and made it far worse.

Deleted member 473940 · Oct 18, 2015

DinohScene said:
Somehow, they where the biggest dicks ;/

Which is why I am not going into too much details lol. As I would sound racist/stereotypical/bad whatnot

FAST6191 · Oct 18, 2015

My usual policy on immigration is come one, come all and isolationism does not work.

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TotalInsanity4 · Oct 18, 2015

DinohScene said:
But refugees should seek refuge in the nearest safe country, atleast that's what I would do n what not ._.

The main issue with that is that all of the countries that are close keep putting the refugees back on trains and telling them to move on. I'm sure they'd gladly only have to cross a few borders instead of journeying deep into Europe if they had the choice

emigre · Oct 18, 2015

As a Brit, we really should be taking more refugees in rather than the 20 000 over the next five years.ITe refugee crisis just illustrates the in failure towards middle eastern foreign policy and the lack of willingness for so-called statesmen to take responsibility and help develop something resembling a plan. The latter particularly has made a difficult and bad situation even more difficult and bad. Honestly it's damning that it took the publication of a dead child to force the great liberal democracies to start doing something rather than sit on their hands. As a taxpayer, I have no problem in my money being spent to help refugees.

And here's another one of my rare serious posts.

Clydefrosch · Oct 18, 2015

DinohScene said:
People will call me a racist for it but no.
If West Europe would collide into a war and we would flee to Syria etc, they wouldn't help us either.
Heck they prolly put the death penalty on me for just entering their country ._.

Real refugees come crawling towards the borders, not via plane/boat trip that costed them tons.

thats right. when you wanna flee your country, you gotta look the part. when someone has enough money to enter a boat or a plane, wouldn't bullets and religious fanatics just magically ignore them, making syria just as safe a place to be as anywhere else on the planet?

also lol, if war broke out in central europe, you know just as well as i do that europeans wouldn't flee towards syria or africa or even russia, even if it was peaceful. they'd flee westward too, to the uk and the us. if they can.

not saying there aren't a few people using refugee status to get a foot in the door in hopes of finding work and building an existence. thats always happened and it has to happen in a global world that just doesn't seem to want to act global where it counts. where money can move freely without borders, but people somehow aren't allowed that same freedom. but if there are people selling houses and cars or just leaving those behind, you should be able to realize that these people had a good thing going where they lived. you dont just give up on a good thing going on the off chance of a somewhat better live in a different country (especially not, as many argue, with the goal to live off of the social systems).
most of them leave because it wasn't safe. or because it wouldn't be safe in a forseeable time.

its like if you told us that the jews that left in the early years of the nationalist partys rise to power, when they toned down the anti jew rethoric considerably, didn't actually have a good reason to flee germany.

ShawnTRods said:
I have gone to school/college/uni with a lot of Afghan people that came here as refugees and never went back.

Heck, they brought their uncles, cousins, sisters, wives etc

well, for one, Afghanistan isn't exactly peaceful. if officially at all, it has only been considered such for a very brief window of time (you know, when everyone thought they could pull out now). so tell me exactly why the refugees would go back just yet?
also, considering that they had enough time to literally build a whole existence in your country, going so far to get degrees and stuff, why should they leave and why would you want them to? they integrated and probably serve the country well as tax payers.

vayanui8 said:
They aren't our citizens, and aren't our problem. I feel bad for them and wish them the best of luck but our government funds are for our citizens and because someone else's country is fucked up doesn't mean we have to fix their problem. I'd be glad to have a charity for them or some other optional service, but our government needs to worry more about our own citizens first.l, and they're already horribly inefficient at that.

they literally are your countries problem. your countries middle east policy (of several decades, not just since 2001) and iraq invasion is the root cause of everything thats happening in these country now, including the rise of various terrorist organizations and dictators, all the way up to isis right now. you dont have to fix frances financial problems (even though again, the us is also the epicenter of the worlds recent financial crisises). but if you went ahead and randomly bombed one of their towns, even if by accident, you sure as hell ought to see to reverting that damage.
of course, you weren't entirely alone in most of this, you've had allies and support in eurasia throughout most of these times. but your country was still the driving force behind most of the things that went south after the ww2 years

dont get me wrong, its not -your- fault. you as a citizen are barely responsible for anything happening here or in the past. but your country and its politicians and their actions caused this problem. and blindly ignoring that doesn't make you look good

in addition to all that, all you guys whining that 'these people' get more attention and love and money than 'the countries people' do, its literally not true. they get bare necessities if they get anything. as long as you can sit here and whine on the internet, chances are you're still very fucking well off.

ComeTurismO · Oct 18, 2015

On a few points, I agree with Depravo, refugees should refuge to a place temporarily, once conditions and things are back into shape; they should probably go back. But if a country is able to bring in refugees, they should also be able to help people of their own country in poverty.

GBAtemp Debate Club: Syrian Refugee Crisis

Should Syrian refugees be accepted into your country and given a place to stay?

Yes; we must show compassion to them no matter what

Yes; they need a place to stay and we have more than enough room

No; it is far too great of a security risk

No; our country is already oversaturated with refugees

They should be given a place to stay in our country, BUT only if they leave when safe

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