Hacking Wii U, any news about EmuNAND?

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I get the vibe that you don't really know much about how IOSU works and are just kind of speculating for the sake of speculation :P
Well, a very large part of "IOSU" runs headless and can't be changed via update.
And in all reality all one needs to do is replace signature check prior to decrypt with a pass signature script and all things now pass security check.
It would go un-noticed and would remain forever as it is unable to be patched. Physical access to the console would be the only way to correct it.
A real good example would be to look at the latest Googletv stick.
But hey, "I don't really know much about IOSU or ARM" so keep browser-sploiting and everyone should just stay here and continue to complain at the devs about how it doesn't work very well. The whole point for browser and kernel exploit getting released was to grow the exploiter base to further development of future exploits...(which will ultimately needs to be IOSU)
 

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You surely won't benefit from that EmuNAND solution if it came any soon if you let your console update ^^.

Developpers have a private exploit for 5.5.0 and they are working on IOSU and EmuNAND at the moment before they release it. I guess no matter how much they warn people from updating, there will always be those who can't be a little patient ^^.
Anyway, what I wanna say is, if there was an update later than 5.5.0 then there is no guarantee you would be able to exploit it :). So if you really care about hacking your Wii U in the future, I would suggest you block auto-updates while you still have some hope at least.
 

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Well, a very large part of "IOSU" runs headless and can't be changed via update.
And in all reality all one needs to do is replace signature check prior to decrypt with a pass signature script and all things now pass security check.
It would go un-noticed and would remain forever as it is unable to be patched. Physical access to the console would be the only way to correct it.
A real good example would be to look at the latest Googletv stick.
But hey, "I don't really know much about IOSU or ARM" so keep browser-sploiting and everyone should just stay here and continue to complain at the devs about how it doesn't work very well. The whole point for browser and kernel exploit getting released was to grow the exploiter base to further development of future exploits...(which will ultimately needs to be IOSU)

You have any support for that claim? IOSU is contained within OSv11, which can definitely be updated and is almost certainly signed like all other titles?
 

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You have any support for that claim? IOSU is contained within OSv11, which can definitely be updated and is almost certainly signed like all other titles?

I doubt it. Yeah, just replace the signature encrypting the entire IOSU, it's that simple! And then that NEW signature we put in its place is unpatchable, even though we're the ones that patched the original one in the first place! Ignorance is bliss.
 

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i thought it was more like a BIOS or CMOS

maybe if not so in it physical construction but in its operation
ie. housing the systems basic operations and FW
In it's operation, you would be correct, but on a physical side it is an over glorified SD card.
 

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You have any support for that claim? IOSU is contained within OSv11, which can definitely be updated and is almost certainly signed like all other titles?
Yes, and it's not a claim it's reality. Bow down to something greater than you trick.
This thinking is exactly why you are having trouble with IOSU. When you think of IOSU and OSv11 think of dual booting two different linux distros.
But with one having higher permissions than the other. Sure both can use sysfiles from the same pool but only one has access to everything while the other only has access to what the primary allows it to have. Meaning, yes parts of IOSU are contained within OSv11 but the vast majority of IOS OSv11 has no access to and cannot see at all. This is how even though you say no don't update the console is still able to update. They just send to IOS and it grants the update permission.

As far as being a troll.....Hell yeah I am. (I prefer to call it more like taunting) But, in trolling I am lightly giving information. (very vague but still good)
I am not quite ready to Grace-U yet so I prefer to taunt.
 
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Bow down to something greater than you trick.
Ohhhhhh boy...
I am not quite ready to Grace-U yet so I prefer to taunt.
I feel like you could be doing better things with your time. Like, you know, developing this software you claim to be making and getting it out in the open so that you don't lose what little credibility you have with the few remaining people on this forum. Or, gee, if you ACTUALLY wanted to be helpful, getting in on the hacking groups IRC/Skype chat and giving them a hand
 

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Meaning, yes parts of IOSU are contained within OSv11 but the vast majority of IOS OSv11 has no access to and cannot see at all.

So I assume there's more inside IOSU than what fw.img has? Given what we have on the wiki, fw.img does all of IOSU's tasks. As for this hidden IOSU portion, I suppose you know it's title ID?

(Also, talking about OSv11 not having access to IOSU is stupid because OSv11 is not what runs: Cafe OS and IOSU, which OSv11 is comprised of, run)

This is how even though you say no don't update the console is still able to update. They just send to IOS and it grants the update permission.

This is true regardless of how IOSU runs: it does the update process.
 

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So I assume there's more inside IOSU than what fw.img has? Given what we have on the wiki, fw.img does all of IOSU's tasks. As for this hidden IOSU portion, I suppose you know it's title ID?

(Also, talking about OSv11 not having access to IOSU is stupid because OSv11 is not what runs: Cafe OS and IOSU, which OSv11 is comprised of, run)



This is true regardless of how IOSU runs: it does the update process.
OSv11 is Cafe OS. Remember shared pool. Cafe SDK only contains enough info to develop software for CafeOS. Have you extracted Cafe (OSv11) kernel yet? I really do not wish to argue with you. So, after this post I am done with talking about it. And if you feel so inclined to have the last word then so be it.


Grace-U religious?? I guess it could be I mean it is a channel from the Gods. And once 6.0 arrives (if it ever makes it)
"For by Grace ® Yii saved." (after 6.0 we will Grace-U)


On a different note I really am starting to like this guy.
https://github.com/zhuowei/wiiu-tools/commits/master
 

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OSv11 is Cafe OS. Remember shared pool. Cafe SDK only contains enough info to develop software for CafeOS. Have you extracted Cafe (OSv11) kernel yet?

Nope, OSv11 is both Cafe OS and IOSU. I've looked at it, and I've extracted the Cafe OS kernel, the Cafe OS RPLs, and the IOSU binary.
 

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What? Why would you need to spoof anything? And you would be playing on the latest firmware so there would be no worries with latest SDK.
The controller (IOSU) has the ability to be lightly patched and that's it. Many parts cannot be repaired or it will break IOS and probably the console completely. Which is the exact reason the IOS is being heavily documented. A complete knowledge of IOS will allow circumventing of patches that can be made to IOS that would block unsigned channels. Nintendo hasn't even made a console that security wise is up to par with xb360.
The thought was if we can't patch things then nobody else can either. But a patch isn't needed to get control. IOS is dumb and once you control it does whatever you tell it to. It was that way with GC, wii, and now U as well. Honestly, the fact the spoofer has been out a bit (thanks to Crediar)
and Nintendo has yet to show any concern for it. It may be they are done playing. And have realized they are ultimately going to lose this battle.
I'll give it two more weeks to see an update to the wii u before I call it as them waving the white flag.

I may have understood most of that. Now the wait to see it come to fruition.

Just in laymans terms referencing past failed consoles and encryptions... you are saying that once the controller is appropriately fed info its the signing key for the PS3 all over again? And unlike Sony, nintendo won't be able to rebuild their controller the way sony was able to fix their metldr by moving around the boot chain? If yes I have one question. Will we patch 5.3.2 to allow us to install 5.6 and run our 'homebrew channels', or will we be in a dreamcast like state where firmware versions are irrelevant to controlling the controller?
 

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