Sega Exiting the Home Console Market?

Bladexdsl · Mar 1, 2015

Arras said:
It's extremely annoying to lug your PC to your TV, hook it up and reboot it every time you want to play something on the TV, for once. Laying down a cable through the whole house from the TV to your desk isn't a great alternative either. If you have 2 PCs, sure, but most people don't.

plus running a pc on a plasma...not a good idea!

FAST6191 · Mar 1, 2015

Arras said:
It's extremely annoying to lug your PC to your TV, hook it up and reboot it every time you want to play something on the TV, for once. Laying down a cable through the whole house from the TV to your desk isn't a great alternative either. If you have 2 PCs, sure, but most people don't.

It varies a bit now tablets have risen up but PC and a laptop, not to mention laptops are better than they have been for games, was not uncommon. Equally I go in a lot of houses and I reckon more people than not have a PC, assuming they have one, within range of an unboosted HDMI cable, maybe a slightly pricier one and maybe through a wall but not out of range. Controllers in that scenario are a bit harder to sort but not impossible either. Equally you point out how every streaming service is likely better via PC (especially in things people really care about like price and content variety), have skype to speak to their kids/grandkids/whatever (you know, you ones that felt so attached they find themselves 6 times zones away). Likewise in these days of hibernate and SSDs rebooting is not such an issue.

Granted I usually come the other way for myself and use a TV as a PC monitor or have a PC monitor the size most people have as a TV, that and I do not tend to watch broadcast TV.

All the things you mention were issues at one point in time, however like MS Office vs Libre Office at lot it has since been sorted or the landscape has changed.

Bladexdsl · Mar 2, 2015

controller are easy get the logitech F710 it's all you need.

GreenJr · Mar 2, 2015

If you want a good controller, I heavily recommend the Xbox 360 controller. They are pretty cheap nowadays, and it's compatible with almost all gamepad supported games.

Bladexdsl · Mar 2, 2015

GreenJr said:
If you want a good controller, I heavily recommend the Xbox 360 controller. They are pretty cheap nowadays, and it's compatible with almost all gamepad supported games.

that's what the F710 is

FaSMaN · Mar 2, 2015

There is still hope for: Shenmue 3 Online

XD

Sakitoshi · Mar 2, 2015

GreenJr said:
If you want a good controller, I heavily recommend a Dualshock 3 or 4. They are pretty cheap nowadays, and it's compatible with almost all gamepad supported games.

FTFY

I personally prefer consoles for the ease of use, you insert the game and voila. but lately is almost the same as PC, you insert the game, wait for the Nth update to install and finally voila.
That being said, PC games on TV look astounding, I haven't had problems with that since I own a capable laptop and Dualshock 3 + Motioninjoy = FTW. once you start the game is the same as a game console. Steam bigscreen mode make it even easier, just there are some detail with some games(fucking launchers) but it's OK.

And for the people concerned about Atlus, please get the facts straight.
Sega-Sammy is a holding that owns Atlus AND Sega games division, Sega-Sammy ISN'T the same Sega that makes the games.
Think it this way: Sega-Sammy is the head, Sega is the right hand and Atlus is the left hand, if you cut your right hand you can still do stuff with your left hand, don't you.

FAST6191 · Mar 2, 2015

Dual shock... granted I have not used a 4 yet but my poor crippled ~~fingers~~ claw if I have to use dual shocks for serious amounts of time. The other issue is most games with proper pad support seem to be designed and built with 360 pads in mind.

GreenJr · Mar 2, 2015

FAST6191 said:
Dual shock... granted I have not used a 4 yet but my poor crippled ~~fingers~~ claw if I have to use dual shocks for serious amounts of time. The other issue is most games with proper pad support seem to be designed and built with 360 pads in mind.

That's why I personally use a 360 controller. Sure you can just go ahead and use Xpadder or something similar to fix the problem, but meeeeh. I prefer when it works instantly.

Sakitoshi · Mar 2, 2015

GreenJr said:
That's why I personally use a 360 controller. Sure you can just go ahead and use Xpadder or something similar to fix the problem, but meeeeh. I prefer when it works instantly.

that's a wonder of modern PC games and something that eliminate one of the inconveniences most console players have when trying to play on PC, they say "b-but you need to configure the controls" that isn't even a point now.

WiiCube_2013 · Mar 2, 2015

If you want a good controller, I heavily recommend a Dualshock 3 or 4. They are pretty cheap nowadays, and it's compatible with almost all gamepad supported games.

I'd agree with DualShock 4 but DS3 isn't very ergonomic and for long gaming sessions those two analogue sticks next to each other at the bottom become to feel painful after a while as human hands weren't made to use a controller like that. Luckily, even with the same setup but revised (DualShock 4) it's almost as good as an Xbox controller.

I get that there's people who love the DS3 and will say it feels natural but that's only because they got used to it. I've been using the Wii U GamePad since 2013 and I still don't like it because of its weight and height.

elmoemo · Mar 2, 2015

Haven't used ds4 but only heard good things, I hated the ds3 controller and loved the 360 one, I've since upgraded and can't recommend anything other than the Xbox one controller

omgcat · Mar 2, 2015

trust me, it took sega four failed consoles to leave the hardware market. they're not going anywhere.

RevPokemon · Mar 2, 2015

omgcat said:
trust me, it took sega four failed consoles to leave the hardware market. they're not going anywhere.

Four failed consoles?they only released 4 consoles!
Master system was way behind the nes but was released latter and way better than the 7200 .

Genesis arguably better then the SNES but its sales were slightly behind (think 30 mil to 32 mil)

Saturn sucked and stripped em of cash (tho had a few great games)

and Dreamcast was great and has a good legacy but didn't bring the money Sega needed to survive.

omgcat · Mar 2, 2015

RevPokemon said:
Four failed consoles?they only released 4 consoles!
Master system was way behind the nes but was released latter and way better than the 7200 .

Genesis arguably better then the SNES but its sales were slightly behind (think 30 mil to 32 mil)

Saturn sucked and stripped em of cash (tho had a few great games)

and Dreamcast was great and has a good legacy but didn't bring the money Sega needed to survive.

to be fair i guess failed console doesn't fit all of them but the 32x, the sega CD, the sega saturn and the dreamcast all did pretty poorly. bad enough to knock them out of the console market.

FAST6191 · Mar 2, 2015

RevPokemon said:
Four failed consoles?they only released 4 consoles!

Depending upon your views in the handhelds = consoles or not debate there is that, there was also the SG-1000 family before the master system (ish, if you look at it the right way).

RevPokemon · Mar 2, 2015

FAST6191 said:
Depending upon your views in the handhelds = consoles or not debate there is that, there was also the SG-1000 family before the master system (ish, if you look at it the right way).

By consoles I was reffering to home consoles as in the thread title. Sure I could include the SG 1000 but I also was talking about international systems as the 1000 wasn't released outside of Japan.

Sakitoshi · Mar 4, 2015

WiiCube_2013 said:
I'd agree with DualShock 4 but DS3 isn't very ergonomic and for long gaming sessions those two analogue sticks next to each other at the bottom become to feel painful after a while as human hands weren't made to use a controller like that. Luckily, even with the same setup but revised (DualShock 4) it's almost as good as an Xbox controller.

I get that there's people who love the DS3 and will say it feels natural but that's only because they got used to it. I've been using the Wii U GamePad since 2013 and I still don't like it because of its weight and height.

In this post I put a little insight comparing it with the Xbone controller.
But TL;DR:
- X360 controller has the LB and RB buttons in a awkward to reach position, your fingers fall naturally on the triggers and you need to rise way to much your fingers to reach LB or RB that is uncomfortable.
- X360 controller need external batteries, that isn't exactly the problem but the tumor that the batteries take is, you bump constantly with it while moving your grappling fingers. this also make the controller more heavy.
- Symmetric sticks are better ergonomically speaking, the lower position of the stick on the DS3 leave your thumbs in a more rested position, buttons aren't as tall as a sticks so it's OK if they are in the "far" position. your two thumbs have to reach the same height at the same position, making it more intuitive too.
- D-pad. I need to say nothing here, everybody already knows. thankfully there are X360 controllers with a transforming D-pad, I have one and is way better but still no PS or Nintendo tier.

Two of those four points seems to be fixed in the Xbone controller(battery pack position and D-pad), but I'm yet to try one by myself to feel if is any better in the remaining points.

Anyway, let's settle this here, I don't want to derail this thread any more.

on-topic:
To say truth Sega sunk an important sum of money in the years of the 16-bits with the 32x and Sega CD flooding themselves with costly addons while doing little with them to justify a purchase from the part of the consumers. that and the rushed and convoluted development of the Saturn lead them in a spiral of destruction that ended with the Dreamcast don't reaching his expectations sales-wise and closing their hardware division and burring the poor Dreamcast alive.
I'm seeing they are repeating history with his console software division. too many and low quality(for a flagship franchise) games with forced innovations in gameplay. if you look back you'll find that their more successful titles are the ones that keep things classic or improve old mechanics.
they could take examples with Nintendo, Mario has basically the same gameplay and mechanics every game but improve it little by little instead of changing things all of a sudden, for those cases they create a sub-series like the Mario&Luigi games.

RevPokemon · Mar 4, 2015

Sakitoshi said:
In this post I put a little insight comparing it with the Xbone controller.
But TL;DR:
- X360 controller has the LB and RB buttons in a awkward to reach position, your fingers fall naturally on the triggers and you need to rise way to much your fingers to reach LB or RB that is uncomfortable.
- X360 controller need external batteries, that isn't exactly the problem but the tumor that the batteries take is, you bump constantly with it while moving your grappling fingers. this also make the controller more heavy.
- Symmetric sticks are better ergonomically speaking, the lower position of the stick on the DS3 leave your thumbs in a more rested position, buttons aren't as tall as a sticks so it's OK if they are in the "far" position. your two thumbs have to reach the same height at the same position, making it more intuitive too.
- D-pad. I need to say nothing here, everybody already knows. thankfully there are X360 controllers with a transforming D-pad, I have one and is way better but still no PS or Nintendo tier.

Two of those four points seems to be fixed in the Xbone controller(battery pack position and D-pad), but I'm yet to try one by myself to feel if is any better in the remaining points.

Anyway, let's settle this here, I don't want to derail this thread any more.

on-topic:
To say truth Sega sunk an important sum of money in the years of the 16-bits with the 32x and Sega CD flooding themselves with costly addons while doing little with them to justify a purchase from the part of the consumers. that and the rushed and convoluted development of the Saturn lead them in a spiral of destruction that ended with the Dreamcast don't reaching his expectations sales-wise and closing their hardware division and burring the poor Dreamcast alive.
I'm seeing they are repeating history with his console software division. too many and low quality(for a flagship franchise) games with forced innovations in gameplay. if you look back you'll find that their more successful titles are the ones that keep things classic or improve old mechanics.
they could take examples with Nintendo, Mario has basically the same gameplay and mechanics every game but improve it little by little instead of changing things all of a sudden, for those cases they create a sub-series like the Mario&Luigi games.

personally I believe that all the new sonic games sucked because of Sega's decision

06 sux but they released it as an unfinished product to cash in on the holidays

Unleashed sux but some Dev members have said it was due to lack of time and resources

Lost world and Boom suck but why would Sega invest in games for the wiiu when no matter what they won't get good sales?

Just an opinion

vahnx · Mar 4, 2015

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