Hardware Miyamoto on future hardware after Wii U

shinkodachi · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
Well according to Nintendo power back in 10 or 11 or so they stated there were like 47 or so games that sold over a million copies with about half were 3rd party games which includes major games that were on all consoles to games like wipeout (TV show game) and all game sells help however you need enticing 3rd party games to get good market share nowadays.

That's true, but the sheer number of Wii titles meant that they required shelf space and I remember seeing a lot of Wii games on store shelves everywhere because there was a new game every month. This visibility turns into sales. It doesn't matter if you have 1000 crappy games and just 10 good games. People will see the 1000 crappy games and think the console is great and will buy a few of them before splurging on all the 10 good games.

RevPokemon · Dec 20, 2014

shinkodachi said:
That's true, but the sheer number of Wii titles meant that they required shelf space and I remember seeing a lot of Wii games on store shelves everywhere because there was a new game every month. This visibility turns into sales. It doesn't matter if you have 1000 crappy games and just 10 good games. People will see the 1000 crappy games and think the console is great and will buy a few of them before splurging on all the 10 good games.

Yeah but the problem is while that works for the general population that doesn't work for the gaming community

shinkodachi · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
Yeah but the problem is while that works for the general population that doesn't work for the gaming community

As a business you don't care about a small minority. If I ran my own company I'd put all my money on getting the general population to buy my product vs. a specific niche.

RevPokemon · Dec 20, 2014

SickPuppy said:
It wouldn't be bad if there were some third party AAA games to play while waiting for the next mario game, without the need to own two different consoles.

Problem is tho that Nintendo 3rd party has been crap so why even bother? With Nintendo its either no 3rd party or crappy 3rd party

the_randomizer · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
The GC way second in that gen to xbox in that gen in specs, although the ps2 disc could hold more then the GC which is why many ps2 games are more detailed then GameCube games

PS2 suffered some serious jaggies and had a lot of the cool missing effects the Gamecube had (texture compression, vertex shading, 32-bit color depth, TEV pipeline stages, etc), also had a higher polygon count, Factor 5 wrote their own code and pushed 20 million in-game with shadow/lighting and textures at 60 fps. Also had a much higher texture bandwidth and more system memory. So, spec-wise it was pretty darn close to the Xbox in terms of raw power, but the small disc size was its Achilles heel. Also, many games that were on both the PS2 and Gamecube, the Gamecube versions always looked far smoother. Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur 2 come to mind.

shinkodachi said:
Wasn't the GameCube a lot more powerful than the PlayStation 2 as well, only losing to the original Xbox? The problem is a marketing one and Nintendo still to this day tries to market itself as being "different" or "family friendly". I mean, there's a PEGI 3+ rating on the PlayStation 4 box already, so how much more should a parent care about there being a "different" console if Nintendo doesn't explain that in their marketing?!

Indeed, the Gamecube was very powerful for the time and outclassed the PS2 in many regards, the problem is the games were only 1.35 GB max in size, PS2 had a huge advantage by using full DVDs.

shinkodachi · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
Problem is tho that Nintendo 3rd party has been crap so why even bother? With Nintendo its either no 3rd party or crappy 3rd party

Completely ignoring the fact 3DS has sold in excessive numbers partly thanks to 3rd party support. Monster Hunter, anyone?

RevPokemon · Dec 20, 2014

shinkodachi said:
Completely ignoring the fact 3DS has sold in excessive numbers partly thanks to 3rd party support. Monster Hunter, anyone?

Yeah 3ds is great but wii u sales are bad and the 3ds can only help them so well as home gaming consoles make more money now than handhelds also due to phone games getting the casual market.

shinkodachi · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
Yeah 3ds is great but wii u sales are bad and the 3ds can only help them so well as home gaming consoles make more money now than handhelds also due to phone games getting the casual market.

And Wii U sales continue to be bad if you have to keep waiting for Nintendo to release their next game. With 3rd party support both problems would be eliminated: there'd be a steady stream of titles for the console and sales would automatically pick up and become stronger as the library grows bigger and more varied. That's a fact. For every Super Mario game sold, there's a potential Call of Duty to be sold, etc.

RevPokemon · Dec 20, 2014

shinkodachi said:
And Wii U sales continue to be bad if you have to keep waiting for Nintendo to release their next game. With 3rd party support both problems would be eliminated: there'd be a steady stream of titles for the console and sales would automatically pick up and become stronger as the library grows bigger and more varied. That's a fact. For every Super Mario game sold, there's a potential Call of Duty to be sold, etc.

Yeah plus rethinking it people would by cod for Wii u even if its crap just cuz its cod.

aofelix · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
Personally I don't understand the whole 3rd party arguement.

Think about this the Wii had god awful third party which range to aweful ports (how Manny games that were on all three systems can you really say were best on Wii) to no support.

Now I do believe that 3rd party support is needed but I also believe Nintendo needs to get rid of miyamoto and others like him as while they have made great games the ups at Nintendo haven't been able to really put out a good product for the general gaming consumer who cares more about COD and Creed than he does Mario.

You are spot on from the perspective of someone who isn't a dumb ass but sadly most people are stupid as hell which is why you need third party support.

Someone at least mildly educated in gaming will understand due to the Wii U's hardware limitations, it will produce inferior versions of COD, FIFA, NBA games etc. However, your average Joe just wants those games. He doesn't care or understand.. He just looks through a list at the store and wants the latest football or basketball game. And when its not on the Wii U... he doesn't buy a Wii U.

Third Party titles also get advertised a shed load! Look at GTA and how much hype goes into it. Then compare it to Super Mario 3D World which I think is as good/better... and no hype given through advertisement which means less console publicity.

Compounding the error is the name "Wii U"... honestly nintendo did so much wrong this gen yet its sad to add insult to injury... this moment in time its probably the best console of the big 3... but due to some big blunders, it won't get fair recognition.

shinkodachi · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
Yeah plus rethinking it people would by cod for Wii u even if its crap just cuz its cod.

That's exactly my point. However, without 3rd parties people will brush off the Wii U in its entirety unless they're hardcore Nintendo fans who buy the console just for Mario games. (And let's be honest, there are fewer such people than there are fans of the stuff the "general population" prefers.)

RevPokemon · Dec 20, 2014

shinkodachi said:
That's exactly my point. However, without 3rd parties people will brush off the Wii U in its entirety unless they're hardcore Nintendo fans who buy the console just for Mario games. (And let's be honest, there are fewer such people than there are fans of the stuff the "general population" prefers.)

One problem with the Nintendo crowd is many move on to xbone or ps4 for games like GTA and what not..

aofelix · Dec 20, 2014

You guys need to watch this guys channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/AdamKoralik?spfreload=10

Read his reviews of generations in terms of consoles and of this gen. He is so on point and for once, someone with a brain and background knowledge is talking about the topic of video games. Apart from his Wii-controller hatred, he is fairly unbiased all the time in regards to consoles.

shinkodachi · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
One problem with the Nintendo crowd is many move on to xbone or ps4 for games like GTA and what not..

That happens in every industry. For every hardcore BlackBerry user out there, there are at least 10 who moved on to Android or iPhone because BlackBerry didn't have Instagram. Just like Nintendo in the 90s, BlackBerry defined an industry and was a pioneer. As with Nintendo, they're struggling in the market today. You can see this in every industry, it's not only limited to gaming.

aofelix said:
Third Party titles also get advertised a shed load! Look at GTA and how much hype goes into it. Then compare it to Super Mario 3D World which I think is as good/better... and no hype given through advertisement which means less console publicity.

The problem is, as fun and creative SM3DW is, and as critically acclaimed as it is, there are simply more people interested in playing GTA V. A good example is Knack, which even Shuhei Yoshida acknowledged was a disappointment and failure, trying to cater to "everyone" when in fact it's FIFA, CoD, GTA, etc. that owners of PlayStation consoles long for.

aofelix said:
Compounding the error is the name "Wii U"... honestly nintendo did so much wrong this gen yet its sad to add insult to injury... this moment in time its probably the best console of the big 3... but due to some big blunders, it won't get fair recognition.

Nintendo's greatest failure this generation is no doubt marketing. "Wii U" is just as stupid as "New Nintendo 3DS" and it signals to me that Nintendo still hasn't learned from its mistakes.

aofelix · Dec 20, 2014

New Nintendo 3DS is beyond a joke. The only reason I can think for naming it that is to downplay the significance of the upgrade to not upset current owners of 3DS's as all it did was make me underwhlemed.

RevPokemon · Dec 20, 2014

shinkodachi said:
That happens in every industry. For every hardcore BlackBerry user out there, there are at least 10 who moved on to Android or iPhone because BlackBerry didn't have Instagram. Just like Nintendo in the 90s, BlackBerry defined an industry and was a pioneer. As with Nintendo, they're struggling in the market today. You can see this in every industry, it's not only limited to gaming.
The problem is, as fun and creative SM3DW is, and as critically acclaimed as it is, there are simply more people interested in playing GTA V. A good example is Knack, which even Shuhei Yoshida acknowledged was a disappointment and failure, trying to cater to "everyone" when in fact it's FIFA, CoD, GTA, etc. that owners of PlayStation consoles long for.
Nintendo's greatest failure this generation is no doubt marketing. "Wii U" is just as stupid as "New Nintendo 3DS" and it signals to me that Nintendo still hasn't learned from its mistakes.

Prob too is Nintendo needs more western voices as the american audience is generally very different then the Asian market

RevPokemon · Dec 20, 2014

aofelix said:
New Nintendo 3DS is beyond a joke. The only reason I can think for naming it that is to downplay the significance of the upgrade to not upset current owners of 3DS's as all it did was make me underwhlemed.

New 3ds is the new version of the dsi system

shinkodachi · Dec 20, 2014

RevPokemon said:
Prob too is Nintendo needs more western voices as the american audience is generally very different then the Asian market

Yet, Nintendo only has a good foothold in its home country. They are even getting beaten by Sony in China now. The last Nintendo needs is to become "Americanized", as the charming and quirky nature is what makes Nintendo unique. Giving up on that they'd be better off just giving up entirely. Just like Sony has the catchphrase "this is for the players".

Bladexdsl · Dec 20, 2014

the fusion is coming....

aofelix · Dec 20, 2014

Nintendo has western voices in third parties... every generation they just choose to make it more and more difficult for them to work with Nintendo.

N64 era vs PS1 ... chooses cartridges, Square Enix move to Sony... and as we know FF7 becomes an insane system seller and the rest is history as the PS1 goes from strength to strength
GC era vs PS2... uses mini discs rather than normal discs.. pisses off developers due to lower capacities compared to DVDs, more difficult to port to,
Wii era vs PS3/PS4... wins era due to motion controls capturing the public, developers only supported the wii because the install base was so huge

This wii u era, the gamepad didn't capture the sales and developers were probably happy to tell Nintendo to fuck off. Imagine being able to program and allocate huge amounts of resources then having to scale it back for the wii version. I'd be annoyed as hell.

I hope Nintendo next era decide to get off their high horse and actually give developers what they want. I only want them to this for their own sake. I can afford 2 consoles and I have a gaming PC for my third party needs... but I do feel sorry for Nintendo fans who can only afford one console and also want to get in on the action of the triple A titles from third parties.

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