ROM Hack Xinplay Team has Realse First translated game(with DLC and subtitle)

HNKii · Nov 13, 2014

Alessandro98 said:
Nice

English translation should be easier since English has a way smaller font collection than Chinese...
So if Chinese tranlation becomes possible, than theoretically, so would English

cearp · Nov 13, 2014

Alessandro98 said:
Nice

it's in english already, right?... what's the problem?

Riku · Nov 13, 2014

HNKii said:
English translation should be easier since English has a way smaller font collection than Chinese...
So if Chinese tranlation becomes possible, than theoretically, so would English

True, but it's issue only when you translate English game to Chinese and not a case with jpn-chn translation. With English translation from Japanese, however, there's font width issue which, in most cases, can't be easily fixed without asm hacking.

Here's example:

anhminh · Nov 13, 2014

HNKii said:
English translation should be easier since English has a way smaller font collection than Chinese...
So if Chinese tranlation becomes possible, than theoretically, so would English

It's depend. Sometime the English translation text was longer than Japanese text and it hard to fit it in.

DaRk_ViVi · Nov 13, 2014

So they were the first to decrypt roms, and to modify GW Launcher. They are chinese, and usually flashcard makers are chinese (don't know if GW is actually a chinese card or not).
Could they be part of the GW team?

Steena · Nov 13, 2014

cearp said:
it's in english already, right?... what's the problem?

No but it's confirmed for english release early 2015 by capcom, either way I'm not sure why he would want translation efforts wasted on something that is going to get released soon.
Better translate games that are never coming out in english, like motherfucking DQ7.

DaRk_ViVi said:
So they were the first to decrypt roms, and to modify GW Launcher. They are chinese, and usually flashcard makers are chinese (don't know if GW is actually a chinese card or not).
Could they be part of the GW team?

Why would they modify their own launcher (which is DRM) as another group?

cearp · Nov 13, 2014

Steena said:
No but it's confirmed for english release early 2015 by capcom, either way I'm not sure why he would want translation efforts wasted on something that is going to get released soon.
Better translate games that are never coming out in english, like motherfucking DQ7.

Why would they modify their own launcher (which is DRM) as another group?

they game they translated was ace attorney 5, which is released in english too right?
and sure, exactly

WiiUBricker · Nov 13, 2014

cearp said:
they game they translated was ace attorney 5, which is released in english too right?
and sure, exactly

They did translate to chinese because they are chinese people. They didn't translate to english and won't translate to english ever because there is no point for them to do so. Makes sense?

cearp · Nov 13, 2014

WiiUBricker said:
They did translate to chinese because they are chinese people. They didn't translate to english and won't translate to english ever because there is no point for them to do so. Makes sense?

the game is released in english... no one needs to translate it... what is the point of your comment?

hippy dave · Nov 13, 2014

DaRk_ViVi said:
So they were the first to decrypt roms, and to modify GW Launcher. They are chinese, and usually flashcard makers are chinese (don't know if GW is actually a chinese card or not).
Could they be part of the GW team?

Apparently quite a lot of people are Chinese.

The Real Jdbye · Nov 13, 2014

Interesting, I hope they disabled the brick code.

Seems like overkill to reverse engineer the GW launcher just so they can add subtitles.

cearp · Nov 13, 2014

The Real Jdbye said:
Interesting, I hope they disabled the brick code.
Seems like overkill to reverse engineer the GW launcher just so they can add subtitles.

why would they even need to do that to add subtitles? wouldn't that be in the 'hacking the game' part? hmm

Riku · Nov 13, 2014

cearp said:
why would they even need to do that to add subtitles? wouldn't that be in the 'hacking the game' part? hmm

Well, this game using moflex video format. So, basically, figuring it out to inject hardsubs was too hard task for those superhackers.

cearp · Nov 13, 2014

Riku said:
Well, this game using moflex video format. So, basically, figuring it out to inject hardsubs was too hard task for those superhackers.

so they are just displaying subtitles completely separately to the game? hacky... but nice

PercentSevenC · Nov 13, 2014

Riku said:
True, but it's issue only when you translate English game to Chinese and not a case with jpn-chn translation. With English translation from Japanese, however, there's font width issue which, in most cases, can't be easily fixed without asm hacking.

Here's example:

Not only that, but a faithful English translation usually ends up requiring a lot more characters than the original Japanese. Often you'll need to either reduce the font size enough to add extra line(s) to the text box or insert extra pages, which may be difficult depending on the game.

Chinese should require little to no text box hacking, at least, since it's an even more compact language than Japanese.

WiiUBricker · Nov 13, 2014

cearp said:
the game is released in english... no one needs to translate it... what is the point of your comment?

The point is the translation is for chinese people because chinese people can't speak english very well, hence why they translated to chinese.

cearp · Nov 14, 2014

WiiUBricker said:
The point is the translation is for chinese people because chinese people can't speak english very well, hence why they translated to chinese.

are you being serious? maybe you replied to the wrong person... i know it's for chinese people... lol. (or, what made you think i needed to be told?)

Bug_Checker_ · Jan 16, 2015

Any new progress being made with translations?

GHANMI · Jan 17, 2015

HNKii said:
English translation should be easier since English has a way smaller font collection than Chinese...
So if Chinese tranlation becomes possible, than theoretically, so would English

Nope. The Chinese (and Korean) have it easier since the Japanese font already has all or most of the hanzi they need, in the correct size.

English translations must use at the very least a half width font (if a variable width one isn't possible) so that ＴＨＥ　ＴＥＸＴ　ＤＯＥＳＮ’Ｔ　ＬＯＯＫ　ＵＧＬＹ　ＡＮＤ　ＰＯＳＳＩＢＬＹ　ＴＡＫＩＮＧ　ＵＰ　ＴＯＯ　ＭＵＣＨ　ＳＰＡＣＥ　ＡＮＤ　ＦＩＬＬＩＮＧ　ＵＰ　ＴＨＥ　ＳＣＲＥＥＮ　ＴＯＯ　ＱＵＩＣＫＬＹ.
English translations use more characters than Japanese scripts, and the engine must account for that and not crash if there are more than 18 characters per line or so. Or have memory issues because the text can only use dual byte characters which can cause the RAM to fill up too quickly and the game... to crash.
The font must include English letters or be possible to edit (both the graphic and the width) to include them if they're missing.

Most Japan-only games (even Nintendo games, no less - exceptions exist like Level-5 games) don't give a damn about this stuff. Some are even delayed (Tales of Graces) or cancelled (Lifesigns 1 DS) because of this even when the company wants to localize them.
But they're still good enough for Chinese fan-translators.
They only have to edit the text.
They could also try to edit the graphics with text but it's not that big of a loss if they couldn't since some kanji are easily recognizable in both languages.

The actual hard part if the font is optimized to English/small kana, 8 pixel width letters and the like. For those cases they really need to do reprogramming effort similar to what some English/latin-language fan-translators do when facing up the above mentioned cases.

HNKii · Jan 18, 2015

GHANMI said:
Nope. The Chinese (and Korean) have it easier since the Japanese font already has all or most of the hanzi they need, in the correct size.

English translations must use at the very least a half width font (if a variable width one isn't possible) so that ＴＨＥ　ＴＥＸＴ　ＤＯＥＳＮ’Ｔ　ＬＯＯＫ　ＵＧＬＹ　ＡＮＤ　ＰＯＳＳＩＢＬＹ　ＴＡＫＩＮＧ　ＵＰ　ＴＯＯ　ＭＵＣＨ　ＳＰＡＣＥ　ＡＮＤ　ＦＩＬＬＩＮＧ　ＵＰ　ＴＨＥ　ＳＣＲＥＥＮ　ＴＯＯ　ＱＵＩＣＫＬＹ.
English translations use more characters than Japanese scripts, and the engine must account for that and not crash if there are more than 18 characters per line or so. Or have memory issues because the text can only use dual byte characters which can cause the RAM to fill up too quickly and the game... to crash.
The font must include English letters or be possible to edit (both the graphic and the width) to include them if they're missing.

Most Japan-only games (even Nintendo games, no less - exceptions exist like Level-5 games) don't give a damn about this stuff. Some are even delayed (Tales of Graces) or cancelled (Lifesigns 1 DS) because of this even when the company wants to localize them.
But they're still good enough for Chinese fan-translators.
They only have to edit the text.
They could also try to edit the graphics with text but it's not that big of a loss if they couldn't since some kanji are easily recognizable in both languages.

The actual hard part if the font is optimized to English/small kana, 8 pixel width letters and the like. For those cases they really need to do reprogramming effort similar to what some English/latin-language fan-translators do when facing up the above mentioned cases.

Got it, thank you for explaining. I was only thinking about the font system then. Also, many Japan-only games I played seemed to have contained the English alphabet.
The font varies between games. Some have lots of hanzi while some have only a little.

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