This is so not cool

PityOnU · Oct 20, 2014

the_randomizer said:
Then is there a reason that the file that do copy over take longer than they should to copy to a USB 3.0 HDD? Obviously I can back up all the vital stuff just fine, but as for the HDD health itself, it remains a mystery. I could see failure this soon if it's like, Seagate or Toshiba, but WD? Baffling. Though the fact it happened so sudden baffles me.

Considering you are trying to copy these files from within a possibly corrupted OS installed on a possibly corrupted drive, anything could be going wrong. Hell, simply the act of trying to copy these files might be corrupting them.

Why are you still booting from this drive!? I don't understand...

the_randomizer · Oct 20, 2014

PityOnU said:
Considering you are trying to copy these files from within a possibly corrupted OS installed on a possibly corrupted drive, anything could be going wrong. Hell, simply the act of trying to copy these files might be corrupting them.

Why are you still booting from this drive!? I don't understand...

Gee, maybe it has to do with the fact that I have no other drive to use at the moment? That might have something to do with it. Having limited funds to get another HDD is not feasible right now, unless someone's willing to donate an HDD for me, which will never happen even when hell freezes over. You know I can't ask of that from the community, because, reasons. Now do you understand why I can't use another HDD? If I had the money, I'd install an SSD as a secondary HDD then transfer what I can over to it, but unfortunately, even a 120 GB SSD ain't cheap.

Trust me, if I had a 2nd HDD, I would use it in a heart beat, but I don't right now, so I have no choice.

PityOnU · Oct 20, 2014

the_randomizer said:
Gee, maybe it has to do with the fact that I have no other drive to use at the moment? That might have something to do with it. Having limited funds to get another HDD is not feasible right now, unless someone's willing to donate an HDD for me, which will never happen even when hell freezes over. You know I can't ask of that from the community, because, reasons. Now do you understand why I can't use another HDD? If I had the money, I'd install an SSD as a secondary HDD then transfer what I can over to it, but unfortunately, even a 120 GB SSD ain't cheap.

Trust me, if I had a 2nd HDD, I would use it in a heart beat, but I don't right now, so I have no choice.

You don't have a 1GB+ flash drive? You don't have a DVD sitting around? You don't have a friend/family member with a PC you could use?

Something somewhere here is clearly fucked, and continuing to get more fucked up as you use it. Anything could be the problem here. Unless you take steps NOW to protect your data and then troubleshoot, you will never know the cause of the problem, so stop asking here because no one will know.

the_randomizer · Oct 20, 2014

PityOnU said:
You don't have a 1GB+ flash drive? You don't have a DVD sitting around? You don't have a friend/family member with a PC you could use?

Something somewhere here is clearly fucked, and continuing to get more fucked up as you use it. Anything could be the problem here. Unless you take steps NOW to protect your data and then troubleshoot, you will never know the cause of the problem, so stop asking here because no one will know.

I'm backing things up on a USB HDD now which seems to be working fine, most files are backing up fine, but like you said, there very well could be corrupted files and/or bad sectors on the SATA3 HDD. I am taking steps to back up my data, the problem is, would chkdsk /r truly resolve the bad sectors or should I run the scannow command.

My parent's don't have a desktop at the moment and my brother lives 50 miles from me, I have a buddy in the upstairs apartment I could ask as he has a similar set up to mine.

Arras · Oct 20, 2014

the_randomizer said:
I'm backing things up on a USB HDD now which seems to be working fine, most files are backing up fine, but like you said, there very well could be corrupted files and/or bad sectors on the SATA3 HDD. I am taking steps to back up my data, the problem is, would chkdsk /r truly resolve the bad sectors or should I run the scannow command.

My parent's don't have a desktop at the moment and my brother lives 50 miles from me, I have a buddy in the upstairs apartment I could ask as he has a similar set up to mine.

If the physical hard disk is fucked neither chkdsk nor scannow will help you.

PityOnU · Oct 20, 2014

the_randomizer said:
I'm backing things up on a USB HDD now which seems to be working fine, most files are backing up fine, but like you said, there very well could be corrupted files and/or bad sectors on the SATA3 HDD. I am taking steps to back up my data, the problem is, would chkdsk /r truly resolve the bad sectors or should I run the scannow command.

My parent's don't have a desktop at the moment and my brother lives 50 miles from me, I have a buddy in the upstairs apartment I could ask as he has a similar set up to mine.

Short of a drive refusing to spin up - i.e. completely useless - I have never had a HDD go bad on me.

There have been multiple times, however, were a file or directory is corrupted on disk. In all those cases, a chkdsk solved the problem.

That being said, it sounds like you are suffering from more than just some corrupted files. Thus everyone is screaming at you to power the thing down, make some sort of external media, and boot from that. THEN backup your files. THEN see if it's the drive. THEN reinstall the OS.

the_randomizer · Oct 20, 2014

Arras said:
If the physical hard disk is fucked neither chkdsk nor scannow will help you.

But I don't know that for sure, as I can copy files over just fine. Most files anyway, notably the more vital ones I want to save, they seem to be copying over fine. Luckily, I don't hear any abnormal clicking or anomalous noises from the disk itself, so that isn't an issue. That being said, I should probably run it as a precaution, should I do it anyway, once I backup all the vital things I need to before running it?

PityOnU said:
Short of a drive refusing to spin up - i.e. completely useless - I have never had a HDD go bad on me.

There have been multiple times, however, were a file or directory is corrupted on disk. In all those cases, a chkdsk solved the problem.

That being said, it sounds like you are suffering from more than just some corrupted files. Thus everyone is screaming at you to power the thing down, make some sort of external media, and boot from that. THEN backup your files. THEN see if it's the drive. THEN reinstall the OS.

I don't have a USB flash drive yet, I was planning on going over to Best Buy and get one today, a 64 GB drive is dirt cheap anyways. I don't know anything for certain, as now that I think about it, it only has the explorer crash at certain folders, because my explorer is open on one of my other directories, and it didn't reset the process, so it sounds like corrupted files more than anything.

Before I do anything drastic, I still want to run chkdsk and scan then repair, would I type both of the parameters in CMD or just one at a time?

Once I get the flash drive, what is that I need to download and install, and if I do use Linux, I should let you know that I don't know a bloody thing about using Terminal commands. I'm not trying to get upset, at all, that's not my intent, I'm just frustrated that this happened out of the blue, as it was fine one day and the next it all goes to shit.

Arras · Oct 20, 2014

the_randomizer said:
But I don't know that for sure, as I can copy files over just fine. Most files anyway, notably the more vital ones I want to save, they seem to be copying over fine. Luckily, I don't hear any abnormal clicking or anomalous noises from the disk itself, so that isn't an issue. That being said, I should probably run it as a precaution, should I do it anyway, once I backup all the vital things I need to before running it?

I don't have a USB flash drive yet, I was planning on going over to Best Buy and get one today, a 64 GB drive is dirt cheap anyways. I don't know anything for certain, as now that I think about it, it only has the explorer crash at certain folders, because my explorer is open on one of my other directories, and it didn't reset the process, so it sounds like corrupted files more than anything.

Before I do anything drastic, I still want to run chkdsk and scan then repair, would I type both of the parameters in CMD or just one at a time?

Once I get the flash drive, what is that I need to download and install, and if I do use Linux, I should let you know that I don't know a bloody thing about using Terminal commands. I'm not trying to get upset, at all, that's not my intent, I'm just frustrated that this happened out of the blue, as it was fine one day and the next it all goes to shit.

This should allow you to make a bootable Linux USB easily. I'd recommend using Ubuntu, it's rather easy to use and you don't really need any terminal commands for anything, especially not for something as simple as copying files to an external hard disk.
Seriously though, rather than chkdsk or scannow, just try your vendors hard disk diagnostics tool. That should tell you whether your HDD is actually fucked or not.

the_randomizer · Oct 20, 2014

Arras said:
This should allow you to make a bootable Linux USB easily. I'd recommend using Ubuntu, it's rather easy to use and you don't really need any terminal commands for anything, especially not for something as simple as copying files to an external hard disk.
Seriously though, rather than chkdsk or scannow, just try your vendors hard disk diagnostics tool. That should tell you whether your HDD is actually fucked or not.

Found this for WD HDDs http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=612&sid=3 called Data Lifeguard, I assume that's it because Google didn't yield anything else. Looks like it has the option to repair after it does the in-depth testing and scanning, so, as such, this should help at least, until I can get an actual HDD or SSD, if there's a sale, but in the mean time I'll backup whatever I can.

Update 1:07 PM - Okay, things are looking better. Went to my buddy's apartment downstairs to test the RAM module, all tests passed with Memtest86 or whatever that program is called. A-OK. Next, we began to run CHKDSK and it's been finding and repairing the bad clusters as well as finding and fixing the corrupted files, of which I also saw. Back at my apartment on my laptop for now, but things are looking up.

eheljqpvez · Oct 20, 2014

Format your HD and reinstall windows. If you still Blue Screen after that you have a hardware problem.

the_randomizer · Oct 20, 2014

eheljqpvez said:
Format your HD and reinstall windows. If you still Blue Screen after that you have a hardware problem.

Read the addendum in the last post...ah screw it, here is what I updated

Update 1:18 PM - Okay, things are looking better. Went to my buddy's apartment downstairs to test the RAM module, all tests passed with Memtest86 or whatever that program is called. A-OK. Next, we began to run CHKDSK and it's been finding and repairing the bad clusters as well as finding and fixing the corrupted files, of which I also saw. Back at my apartment on my laptop for now, but things are looking up.

So. no, no reformat necessary.

jonthedit · Oct 20, 2014

the_randomizer said:
Read the addendum in the last post...ah screw it, here is what I updated

Update 1:18 PM - Okay, things are looking better. Went to my buddy's apartment downstairs to test the RAM module, all tests passed with Memtest86 or whatever that program is called. A-OK. Next, we began to run CHKDSK and it's been finding and repairing the bad clusters as well as finding and fixing the corrupted files, of which I also saw. Back at my apartment on my laptop for now, but things are looking up.

So. no, no reformat necessary.

Hope you backed up the files you needed. Sometimes chkdsk ends up corrupting the whole drive. It is rare, but it happened to me twice.

The Real Jdbye · Oct 20, 2014

Arras said:
This should allow you to make a bootable Linux USB easily. I'd recommend using Ubuntu, it's rather easy to use and you don't really need any terminal commands for anything, especially not for something as simple as copying files to an external hard disk.
Seriously though, rather than chkdsk or scannow, just try your vendors hard disk diagnostics tool. That should tell you whether your HDD is actually fucked or not.

UBCD4Win isn't a bad idea if the_randomizer prefers Windows, alternatively FalconFour's Ultimate Boot CD and Hiren's Boot CD both come with a MiniXP bootable Windows, which is ready to use unlike UBCD4Win which has to be generated from a XP ISO, but I think they come with less Windows tools.

jonthedit said:
Hope you backed up the files you needed. Sometimes chkdsk ends up corrupting the whole drive. It is rare, but it happened to me twice.

If that happens though he can probably recover it with Recuva or similar.

the_randomizer · Oct 21, 2014

jonthedit said:
Hope you backed up the files you needed. Sometimes chkdsk ends up corrupting the whole drive. It is rare, but it happened to me twice.

Nope, test is complete and the OS is working just fine, there were only three bad clusters in the entire drive, took a long time, but yeah, it's fine now.

The Real Jdbye said:
UBCD4Win isn't a bad idea if the_randomizer prefers Windows, alternatively FalconFour's Ultimate Boot CD and Hiren's Boot CD both come with a MiniXP bootable Windows, which is ready to use unlike UBCD4Win which has to be generated from a XP ISO, but I think they come with less Windows tools.

If that happens though he can probably recover it with Recuva or similar.

Is Recuva pretty good and is it free? That being said, I managed to backup the files that were giving me issues earlier.

The Real Jdbye · Oct 21, 2014

the_randomizer said:
Nope, test is complete and the OS is working just fine, there were only three bad clusters in the entire drive, took a long time, but yeah, it's fine now.

Is Recuva pretty good and is it free? That being said, I managed to backup the files that were giving me issues earlier.

It's free, and works well, but unless there are some files you're unable to backup there's not much point in using it. A lot of manual work needs to be done afterwards since you might end up with a lot of duplicate files, corrupted/overwritten files, unnamed files or files with an unknown/missing path, depending on the settings you choose (which will depend on your scenario), as such programs that perform a low-level scan on the disk for files can't tell the difference between files that have been overwritten, moved or deleted and files that haven't. So for files that have been moved you end up with a copy in both locations, deleted files will be recovered even if they have been partially overwritten in some cases, it makes a mess. It's best as a last resort if regular backup doesn't work.

jonthedit · Oct 21, 2014

The Real Jdbye said:
It's free, and works well, but unless there are some files you're unable to backup there's not much point in using it.

I smell someone who never actually had to use Recuva

It's good, but not THAT Good. No program is. If there is a serious issue then the files are fucked.

The Real Jdbye · Oct 21, 2014

jonthedit said:
I smell someone who never actually had to use Recuva
It's good, but not THAT Good. No program is. If there is a serious issue then the files are fucked.

Well of course, but that's common sense. No amount of software can get around a serious hardware failure.
Recuva (and similar programs) have saved my ass several times in the past, only have I come across something recovery programs couldn't help me with, and that was because I stupidly manhandled the HDD by accident and it made that dreaded click a few months later (surprisingly worked OK until a few months later though)

the_randomizer · Oct 21, 2014

So yeah, in essence things are much faster and more stable than the past two days, thanks everyone, and yeah, uh, sorry for my bitching and moaning, it was incredibly frustrating trying to find the route cause....

Jayro · Oct 21, 2014

Let's not completely ignore the fact that Microsoft has pulled a few more buggy updates off the Windows Update shelf recently.

the_randomizer · Oct 21, 2014

Jayro said:
Let's not completely ignore the fact that Microsoft has pulled a few more buggy updates off the Windows Update shelf recently.

Right, but the issue is resolved, everything is stable, the issues have been resolved and yes, I could finally backup the files I wanted to back up.

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