Square Enix Threatens Legal Action Against Type-0 Fan Translation

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I am both a sub-team member and later, part of the main team member.

While there is that history in the sub-team (and Adam even admitted to that problem… lolz), we can't expect every translators to have the same sort of personality nor do we have the liberty to try and understand each other. I can complain a lot on many people if I wanted to. I'd agree there are times he went overboard at times, but everyone has their own personality and as a small community, we have to learn to accept each and other's defects. Still, you are entitled to your opinion.

However, everything from 3/18 onward are pretty much "guesses" based on what you have.

That kind of insult to Core is outrageous. I hope that you can at least apologize on that statement. While in the sub-team, I can understand your point of view since we pretty much did not interact with the main team, thus not knowing what happened. I can assure you that Core and many others really did their job.

I will be frank. How many BETA testers do you think actually BETA-TESted properly ? Some can't, even if they wanted to... e,g Sean, due to the complication with making a beta. While a few others (not all) who managed to make one, either disappear somewhere and not HELPING much with the beta-testing (worst case... leaking some pictures of the beta for their own ego and even pilfered one of my pictures from the team bug report). They should review themselves of this shameful business or at least ASK the team. Core is one who helped with text edition, worked with the bug reports, re-aligned all COMM messages, beta tested at least 2 play-through and communicated in the team chat in skype. So, the statement saying he's just playing the translation is downright insult to his work.

Merkabah agreed to help with the video edition in the last minute after Artistan is unable to contribute any further in the final moments due to busy personal life (a newborn especially). Unfortunately, Art is still the one with the better skill set for movie editing. Merkabah, on the other hand, helped a lot with the text edition and translation recheck especially the codex and cut scenes (which he streamed his work). There's even that toilet joke we had.

Since I did not get access to SVN and I do understand the need to limit its access, I can't comment on whatever happened over it. I do know that a lot of our translation needed to be adjusted to match the context of the game. Even though the translation is correct, there is problem with character personality/tone, the reference, the usage, context etc that are discovered during the beta.

Sky, on the other hand, did what he can do as the programmer for the project, seeing that he has his own life issues to tackle with. He's shown great perseverance to hold on to the project when most if not all the former translators went MIA last year before fresh bloods fill in and got the project running again.

I don't know what happened the month before the release with regard to the NDA thingy since I myself went MIA, exhausted with the beta-testing and report.

This is my only complain...
Seriously, the beta-testing phase is a joke...please please PLEASE don't offer to beta-test a team's effort with a wrong commitment (i.e. just to get early access to show off your ego). You will just be a liability to any potential project. This project almost ended prematurely on March/April! If that's what makes a qualified beta tester in the real gaming industry, I will be some kind of master beta-tester along with Core but honestly, that can't be true and truthfully, an insult to the professional beta-testers out there. I do understand that some however, simply do not have time and that's excusable. I'll take this opportunity to address to any future closed beta-testers for any translation project. Do bear in mind that you are beta testing a "TRANsLATIon" project instead of "game". So, your main focus is the translation instead of gameplay. Otherwise, you might as well play the "uNtrAnsLatEd" game. We could have no doubt cut the time frame by a lot if we did this properly!

While there are no doubts that some members of the team aren't present during certain period of time, We share the belief that "Personal life is still more important".

In short, to me, everyone contributed their own role. Whether you are the sub-team/main team/ex-team member, we managed to pull this mammoth down as a unit. That's all that matters. (read the forum from pages 1-225.. the history is something worthwhile to read if you are free... I did... so, I respect everyone who contributed to this project regardless of what happened in the end).

I'd hope square-enix (their decision makers) will cross check themselves in their decision making. This project has been known for at least a year now (even with kotaku contacted them) and they should've make a firm and fast decision instead of avoiding and giving false hope all the time. Regardless, money is the one that is doing the talking in business, so can't really blame them. But it hurts us a lot.

Blah, I forgot my point. So, yea... stop pointing fingers and let this rest already and hope for the best for everyone, which include sky for whatever SE is doing to him.

Fun fact: At least 1200++ reported bugs by what little active beta-testing team we have in the first bug report document, some didn't report but access the svn to do the changes. Out of these, at least 900 cross checked by Core. Sky and others also contributed with their remarks/solutions and fixes. Maybe one day, I might be able to share the ~800mb of pictures we bugged when the timing is right.
 

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Square Enix is also doing an English translation/port of the game and a fan translation would kinda diminish that. Why play the HD version when you can play the fan translation on a pirated game for free?

Not that the PSP-owning pirating Final Fantasy base is as huge as people make it out to be but still, they would rather want people to buy the HD version than play a pirated one, and sending a simple cease and desist order solves that problem.
You mean the PSP/PC/smartphone/tablet-owning pirating Final Fantasy base. Heck, there's even a PPSSPP for Blackberry. The amount of potential sales loss due to piracy is huge. I've been upset with Square Enix for a while, but a cease and desist from them (especially if what that kotaku article said was true) doesn't make me more upset.
 

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You mean the PSP/PC/smartphone/tablet-owning pirating Final Fantasy base. Heck, there's even a PPSSPP for Blackberry.


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Just because it's possible to access it on those platforms doesn't mean people are going to bother. The pirate ship for something like this is less a dreadnought and more a canoe.
 
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Just because it's possible to access it on those platforms doesn't mean people are going to bother. The pirate ship for something like this is less a dreadnought and more a canoe.
I know that. I was just trying to say that the potential sales loss in SE's eyes is bigger than the amount of people who own a hacked PSP. If PSP emulators only worked on Blackberry, I'm sure SE wouldn't care less.
 

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Responses to a deleted post often get deleted as well (because they tend to be just as offtopic).
I'm not sure how talking about the deletion of the "I’m forced to remove my posts and pages related to the popular Final Fantasy Type-0 fan translation project" post and the restoring of those removed posts on Sky site is off-topic. This entire thread is about how the whole thing was shut down, and now everything's mysteriously reappeared (although without any downloads or screenshots).

I don't even know how talking about it would considered trolling.
 

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Then it's my mistake.
I thought the pages had always been there, and telling "it's back" was like a user answered at "what did I miss?"
You missed a troll asking for flaming and confusion.
Because the website has always been there, and the patch wasn't back, so it was confusing, I agreed it was trolling because the patch is not back.

What's available, is the merger (which still contains illegal files!).
Giving access to the patch is still considered illegal, and access to the merger is the same as it contains parts of the ISO.
 

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Then it's my mistake.
I thought the pages had always been there, and telling "it's back" was like a user answered at "what did I miss?"

Because the website has always been there, and the patch wasn't back, so it was confusing, I agreed it was trolling because the patch is not back.

What's available, is the merger (which still contains illegal files!).
Giving access to the patch is still considered illegal, and access to the merger is the same as it contains parts of the ISO.
Yeah I am the one who asked what did I miss, but that's not the point. Even if the original post was trolling (which it isn't apparently) that doesn't make the geniune replies after that trolling by default.

Either way, no harm done. I was just wondering what was going on
 

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Yeah I am the one who asked what did I miss, but that's not the point. Even if the original post was trolling (which it isn't apparently) that doesn't make the geniune replies after that trolling by default.

Either way, no harm done. I was just wondering what was going on

If the posts after it were quoting or generally replying to the trashed post, they will be removed as well as they will appear off topic. This has been done thousands of times on the forums.

:ph34r:'d By Cyan...>.>
 

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I found this conversation on Facebook between a few team members. Maybe it gives some insight and clarifies some previous posts.

  • Sean Mei Damnit....to be fair, I saw this coming but honestly, after all the work we put into it, I didn't want to believe it.
    July 19 at 5:46pm
  • Ad Ams I'm just laughing at Sky for being such an idiot and releasing it even after SE contacted him and after the E3 announcement. We all advised against it, but he did it anyways.
    July 20 at 1:50am
  • Sean Mei Well it's not like he got into any serious trouble so at least that's good I guess...Personally, I think Sky did a good thing by releasing it but he should have seen this coming since he did get a warning. I stand by his decision to distribute the translation but he shouldn't have accused Square of crushing us or anything.
    July 20 at 2:25am
  • Ian Darmetko Well at least it's out there now. If it wasn't released it would have been a waste of time right?
    July 20 at 4:22am
  • Ad Ams the goal was to get the game released in English, so I wouldn't have viewed it as a waste of time. And I spent 1500+ hours on it.
 

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I check all posts and provide a single reason.
I don't always remove the first one for a reason, and the other ones for "replying to the first one".
it's it's part of a deleted lot, chance are the deletion reason is meant for the first deleted post.
If the posts after it were quoting or generally replying to the trashed post, they will be removed as well as they will appear off topic. This has been done thousands of times on the forums.

:ph34r:'d By Cyan...>.>

Guys, you are missing the point. I am not saying that if the op was a troll the the replies shouldn't be deleted.
What I meant that the following posts should not be marked as troll. Even a "reply to troll" would suffice
 

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I found this conversation on Facebook between a few team members. Maybe it gives some insight and clarifies some previous posts.

  • Sean Mei Damnit....to be fair, I saw this coming but honestly, after all the work we put into it, I didn't want to believe it.
    July 19 at 5:46pm

  • Ad Ams I'm just laughing at Sky for being such an idiot and releasing it even after SE contacted him and after the E3 announcement. We all advised against it, but he did it anyways.
    July 20 at 1:50am

  • Sean Mei Well it's not like he got into any serious trouble so at least that's good I guess...Personally, I think Sky did a good thing by releasing it but he should have seen this coming since he did get a warning. I stand by his decision to distribute the translation but he shouldn't have accused Square of crushing us or anything.
    July 20 at 2:25am

  • Ian Darmetko Well at least it's out there now. If it wasn't released it would have been a waste of time right?
    July 20 at 4:22am

  • Ad Ams the goal was to get the game released in English, so I wouldn't have viewed it as a waste of time. And I spent 1500+ hours on it.


:lol: lol.... That's a pretty suspicious looking post, coming from a mysterious first time poster... And how would you (being so new...) know where to find the team members on facebook, eh? :sleep:
 

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:lol: lol.... That's a pretty suspicious looking post, coming from a mysterious first time poster... And how would you (being so new...) know where to find the team members on facebook, eh? :sleep:



I’ve been lurking in the forums as a guest for some time now. I only recently created an account because I was fed up with both Doomtrain and SkyBladeCloud’s secrecy and wanted to shed some light on a couple matters. I do feel Doomtrain has been more open on information regarding the incident, but it’s not enough to satisfy me.

I never contacted Doomtrain or SkyBladeCloud to get team member’s information. I’ve never contacted them period. That 200+ page Type-0 RomHacking thread contained enough information to use on Google to find the conversation I provided.

I seek to discover the “truth” behind the incident from both a legal aspect and a team cohesion aspect. My motivations are driven from the sentimental value I hold from the work they did. Eventually the “truth” will come out. And if it doesn’t, you will have a slew of conversations and links to talk about to come to a sort of consensus of what happened. I can supply some of those links, but I’ll need anyone who’s interested to help.
 
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I was fed up with both Doomtrain and SkyBladeCloud’s secrecy and wanted to shed some light on a couple matters. I do feel Doomtrain has been more open on information regarding the incident, but it’s not enough to satisfy me.
I don't know man, i talked to SkyBladeCloud just a couple of hours ago and he was completely open about everything. I didn't asked much though, my main concern was the invisible CC bug, which btw, was solved ;)
 

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