thaddius' Console Roast 2014 Edition - Round 6

TripleSMoon · Mar 28, 2014

Another World said:
they never bash on the small start-up companies who release only 3,000 units or the chinese android makers who release a new psp-looking clone each month. no, it is the virutal boy which fondly fills a space in their head dedicated for something they feel a need to hate.

There's a huge difference between a small start-up company selling a small amount of units on their first go and Nintendo, the incomparable video game giant at the time, moving a number of units that's absolutely abysmal relative to their other ventures.

And really, I mean no offense, but you're taking this more than a little bit too personally. You have fond experiences with the VB in the homebrew scene and are personally invested in it: I get it. But that's not a reason to get sensitive over a general perception that, when considering the fact that most people don't care about homebrew and the like (I know it's easy to forget that on a large site like this dedicated to that kind of stuff), is rather correct.

Another World · Mar 28, 2014

I'm not taking the comments about the VB personally, you should not think anything of the sort. if someone out there doesn't like or understand the VB, that is their loss. what i am focused on is the exact comment used. saying anything not well accepted has only 5 users does not evoke humor in me. i fail to see how that comment is funny within any regard. all i see is a blatant disrespect for thousands (if not more) of users who continue to enjoy said system. if the comment had been said in a trollish manner then this would be a different discussion. i do not believe that it was said to cause harm, and so i am attempting to make the long winded point that perhaps certain phrases are better left off-line. offending anyone at the expense of a joke one finds personally funny may not be the best course of action during any conversation. while i do not feel that foxi said it with malicious intent, i am within my "internet" rights to dislike the comment and to complain about it. i hope that point is now clear?

as for homebrew, i have to strongly disagree. I maybe would have been able to agree with you if mobile gaming didn't come along. as there was a time that homebrew was a secretly traded and widely unknown form of expression. mobile gaming has changed all of that in the last 10 years. A large percentage of games the mainstream mobile gamers are enjoying on their iOS and Android devices are, in fact, simply homebrew. small video game studios of 3-4 developers used to be called collaborations and they released, homebrew. now that it can be packaged for marketing doesn't change the fact that these projects are homebrew. now, i am in no way trying make the distinction that all games and apps made by a handful of individuals are homebrew. quite the contrary, as i am well aware that many projects are simply industry devs who wished to branch out with their own form of expression.

with that said, i did not buy my vb for its homebrew scene. i also did not make my initial comments based on the vb homebrew scene. i used homebrew as a 1 example of how the vb continues to have a following of more than 5 users.

-another world

Foxi4 · Mar 28, 2014

First of all, you are taking this way too seriously. Getting worked up about a piece of plastic is generally taking matters a step too far. Secondly, little no name devices and mainstream systems are two different kinds of fruit - the latter are dedicated to the global mainstream audience, the former to the avid and passionate minority. Selling 770,000 to the global audience equals falling flat on your face for a corporation, selling the same amount to the small community of homebrew users would be an unprecedented success for a small company. Thirdly, I disagree with the point of view that console X is better than console Y because game Z - consoles are either good and successful or poor and unsuccessful, the successful ones tend to get games because software developers simply want to sell software. A spacious library of good games is a measure of success, but the VB doesn't have that, it has a handful of titles that are worth recommending, and only to the avid collectors who are okay with investing in a system just to play a few games. Again, I'm not out to insult, I love and collect consoles, I just want to distance myself from brand favourism and judge things objectively, and if someone gets worked up over a casual display of humour while I'm at it then we're approaching the matter way too personally. If VR will flop again and 20 years from now someone ridicules it for being a poor attempt, he'll simply be right. Sorry if I upset you, that's just my opinion, no need to get all worked up over it.

TripleSMoon · Mar 28, 2014

Another World said:
I'm not taking the comments about the VB personally, you should not think anything of the sort... all i see is a blatant disrespect for thousands (if not more) of users who continue to enjoy said system.

Calling a hyperbolic comment illustrating the poor sales of a piece of hardware "a blatant disrespect for thousands" is taking it personally or, more correctly, at least taking it way too seriously. I mean really, how could it not be?

Another World · Mar 29, 2014

Calling a hyperbolic comment illustrating the poor sales of a piece of hardware "a blatant disrespect for thousands" is taking it personally or, more correctly, at least taking it way too seriously. I mean really, how could it not be?

once again, my reactions have nothing to do with the system. it is the fact that the thing being discussed was referred to in an inappropriate way. can you not understand that? why is it so hard to grasp the concept that the undermining of a specific object in a way which forms a humorous bubble for yourself may not be accepted by all?

-another world

TripleSMoon · Mar 29, 2014

Another World said:
once again, my reactions have nothing to do with the system. it is the fact that the thing being discussed was referred to in an inappropriate way. can you not understand that? why is it so hard to grasp the concept that the undermining of a specific object in a way which forms a humorous bubble for yourself may not be accepted by all?

-another world

Not when the reference is a harmless, obvious hyperbole being used to illustrate sales, no.

Of course at least one person is going to be offended... That's unfortunately unavoidable no matter what one says. Expecting someone to not say something completely harmless because others might get offended without any substantial reason is silly.

Of course disagreement with the statement and saying why you think it's wrong is totally fine. But being offended isn't really a good reason.

I think I'm gonna stop here since I've said my piece. Make of it what you will.

Another World · Mar 29, 2014

harmless to you based on your opinion and your point of view. degrading and hurtful to thousands of happy owners based on mine. mine vs. yours -- something i've made clear for the past few posts.

being offended by what someone says is a perfectly good reason to disagree with a statement. unless you are living under the assumption that society creates robots?

-another world

Gahars · Mar 29, 2014

Another World said:
harmless to you based on your opinion and your point of view. degrading and hurtful to thousands of happy owners based on mine. mine vs. yours -- something i've made clear for the past few posts.

being offended by what someone says is a perfectly good reason to disagree with a statement. unless you are living under the assumption that society creates robots?

-another world

If a throwaway line about a video game console is "degrading and hurtful" to you, I think the onus is on you to take a step back and rethink your priorities.

Foxi4 · Mar 29, 2014

It's just a piece of plastic electronics. As xwatchmanx accurately described it, "all 5" is a simple humorous hyperbole that comments on the low sales numbers. It shows no disrespect to Virtual Boy buyers, in fact, it has nothing to do with them whatsoever. I'm talking about the system, you are taking it as a personal insult Another World. Now, if I said "Ha, all the 5 suckers who bought it", we'd have a different discussion entirely, but I didn't.

Another World · Mar 29, 2014

my priorities include a few minutes to respond to xwatchmanx's incorrect assumptions about my motives. they also include the time to write a response which may bring into question xwatchmanx's opinions, which have stated that i am in the wrong for having opinions of my own. nothing said recently held any emotion towards foxi or the original comment.

-another world

Foxi4 · Mar 29, 2014

Well, I just hope there's no hard feelings, Another World. I have a pretty spicy sense of humour, but I'm not set on insulting anyone - I just like joking around.

Another World · Mar 29, 2014

I never took it personally. I try very hard to live unbiased without taking sides through things such a humor. [although not the most relevant point] You kind of have too growing up in the city I did. I was only attempting to point out how the comment would be construed as inappropriate by those passionate about the system. As I do enjoy my VB, it was easier for me to comment through my own experiences.

after we reached an understanding, I had happily gone back to playing with my OUYA. =)

-another world

Pleng · Mar 30, 2014

Another World said:
harmless to you based on your opinion and your point of view. degrading and hurtful to thousands of happy owners based on mine. mine vs. yours -- something i've made clear for the past few posts

I really doubt most of the other users would really find the comment degrading or hurtful. Seriously? To get hurt over a flippant comment that basically says "the unit didn't sell very well" [which is true]? Seriously?

Another World · Mar 30, 2014

after you complete that census please report back what your findings are. i am rather curious to see exactly how many users from your population grouping felt that way.

-another world

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