What's wrong with weed?

Shinigami357 · Jun 2, 2012

Jeez. Another thread on why a drug is/isn't legal/accepted.

I don't smoke or drink alcohol or 'do drugs' by choice. Of course, I have this medical thing that is a big part of that, but it's still my choice.

Anyway, the reason I dislike the idea of putting anything into your body for 'recreational purposes' is simple. There's a difference between "having fun' and fucking with your body's biochemistry. It's not fun, it's not funny, and it's not right.

There are people out there who are struggling enough with their body's 'normal' conditions [i.e. those who are ill]. I fail to see how people with normal, healthy bodies could fuck up theirs. It's disgusting, really.

PS

Don't tell me weed is just for 'calming down'. There are ways to calm down. Plus, calm is one thing, addled is another.

Shoat · Jun 2, 2012

ShadowSoldier said:
So tell me why people and the government are so against weed.

Alcohol&cigarettes were 'cool' (and their negative side-effects were unknown) when most modern governments were born, so they remained legal and socially acceptable.
All the other drugs were not so lucky.
That's all there is to the 'why?'.

It has nothing to do with how unhealthy or expensive a drug is, it's all about being afraid of any sort of change (which is just a bad attitude).
Drugs should either all be forbidden (including alcohol and tobacco), or all be sold in apothecaries in a controlled manner (which would severely reduce the amount of crimes committed for producing, transporting and obtaining drugs, save money on police work and allow the governments to cash in extra drug taxes).

The current way of keeping it as it is (treating very similar drugs so extremely differently) is retarded, just because the people of the early industrial age thought it made sense like this doesn't mean it's the smartest thing to do now.

Luigi2012SM64DS · Jun 2, 2012

These threads wanna make me unjoin gbatemp.
edit : yeah but it just feels sad im in a drunk community (no joking)

1NOOB · Jun 2, 2012

iv been smoking weed everyday since im 16 , im 21 now. for the past 2 yrs iv been smoking an once/week . didnt get any trouble linked to weed and i never got lazy from smoking , im more lazy if i dont smoke .

also 2 weeks ago i tried not to smoke just to see what it would do , never slept that much in years.....

edit ; ho and i dont smoke cigarette or drink alcohol .

BORTZ · Jun 2, 2012

Luigi2012SM64DS said:
These threads wanna make me unjoin gbatemp.

Im not sure if im happier about the possibility of you leaving or the idea that you think your threads are better than this.

Fishaman P said:
1) Illegal most places
2) As bad for you as smoking
3) Stays in your system for 30 days
4) About as bad as driving drunk.

2. Im pretty cigs are way worse. I mean smoking anything is bad for you, but cigs has tons of other additives and chemicals.
4. Drinking is a TON worse for you. Driving high actually makes you more aware.
Im pretty sure of these things, im just saying, dont take this as me attacking you.

triassic911 · Jun 2, 2012

^ You are correct. Smoking has a severe damaging effect on the human body than weed ever could.

Sterling · Jun 3, 2012

Like I say, I'm of the crowd which supports the full legalization of weed. Now, I'm not for other, more dangerous drugs being legalized, but I can see the appeal of harder stuff.

On to the subject of abuse, I disagree. The problem with abuse is the fact many things can, and are abused. Video games, internet, food, and many other things can have an influence on your mind and body and can get out of hand. Like many before have said, "Everything in moderation."

FireGrey · Jun 3, 2012

> It's bad for you and if it were legal kids would be doing it.
> It puts you in a socially unacceptable state.
> If you do it while you drive there can be an accident.
> Brings up moral issues with people over doing drugs.

Kioku · Jun 3, 2012

The one thing that I really see.. Is that a lot of the arguments come from biased opinions. I mean, a lot of you are making arguments based on what you have read, or heard. I'm not saying that none of you have an experience with weed, whether you smoked it or not. It's just.. You claim it to be harmful, but so are a lot of other things. The food you eat, the liquids you drink.. Hell, even the air you breathe. Which, by the way, is polluted with more than just smoke. I have honestly never met someone, who has smoked weed, to be strapped to an oxygen tank, or put on life support... Trust me, I know A LOT of people here.. Old and young. There are worse things than marijuana.

Some of you claim that it messes with your senses. This one is tricky, I'm sure. It's just.. You get food poisoning from eating something poorly cooked, or just poorly made. Does that mean you make it illegal? Nope. I honestly feel the reason marijuana is socially unacceptable, is because someone got annoyed at the way a person acted while on the substance. Why are Drunk people fun, but those who are stoned, not? That's what I would love to know... We all annoy each other, for sure.

FireGrey said:
> It's bad for you and if it were legal kids would be doing it.

Not this, again. Look, if this is part of your argument, here's my rebuttal. Why is tobacco legal? Alcohol, too.

> It puts you in a socially unacceptable state.

Only because people cling to old, unproven, beliefs.

> If you do it while you drive there can be an accident.

Alcohol, too. It's called common sense.

> Brings up moral issues with people over doing drugs.

A lot of people disagree with things.. What makes this one so terrible? Oh.. wait... because somehow they think it has the same effects as meth. Hello, misunderstanding.

Clydefrosch · Jun 3, 2012

the thing is, this arguement works both ways.

you just know "a lot" of people near you, but you dont know all the other people in the world, so your opinion is basically just as limited as that of everyone else

personally, instead of making weed legal, i'd rather have them make high % alkohol and cigarettes and some more things illegal too

Shinigami357 · Jun 3, 2012

Mchief298 said:
The one thing that I really see.. Is that a lot of the arguments come from biased opinions. I mean, a lot of you are making arguments based on what you have read, or heard. I'm not saying that none of you have an experience with weed, whether you smoked it or not. It's just.. You claim it to be harmful, but so are a lot of other things. The food you eat, the liquids you drink.. Hell, even the air you breathe. Which, by the way, is polluted with more than just smoke. I have honestly never met someone, who has smoked weed, to be strapped to an oxygen tank, or put on life support... Trust me, I know A LOT of people here.. Old and young. There are worse things than marijuana.

Some of you claim that it messes with your senses. This one is tricky, I'm sure. It's just.. You get food poisoning from eating something poorly cooked, or just poorly made. Does that mean you make it illegal? Nope. I honestly feel the reason marijuana is socially unacceptable, is because someone got annoyed at the way a person acted while on the substance. Why are Drunk people fun, but those who are stoned, not? That's what I would love to know... We all annoy each other, for sure.

First thing. Opinions are personal. By definition alone, they will always be biased, since there's really no such thing as an unbiased person. In fact, proponents of weed are also biased [toward it], are they not? This argument is a double-edged sword, and I urge you to reconsider ever using it again.

The OP asked for a discussion. Discussions consist of opinions and facts. So there's nothing wrong with people being opinionated or 'biased' with aforementioned opinions.

Second thing. Last time I heard, eating, drinking and breathing are essential to life. Smoking shit, isn't. Some things you have to do, because... well, you have to. Count our modern-day food, drinks and atmosphere as reality, not choice. As if we all want to breathe polluted air. Come on.

Third thing. It does mess with your senses. Please, let's not insult each others' intelligence. Most proponents of weed smoke it for recreation or to 'calm down'. This is achieved by, like I said before, fucking up your body's biochemistry or being 'high'. And yes, it is harmful. Just like any medicine or other drugs, there is no such thing as 'no side-effects'. I call bullshit on that. People just choose to ignore what's happening to their bodies.

Final thing... Please, for the love of all that is good and Holy... Don't say 'there's worse things than marijuana'. One, the point of the thread IS about marijuana. Let's not try to derail the topic. Two, just because one thing is worse, doesn't make a bad thing good all of a sudden. Bad is still bad. That's like saying 'getting your throat slit open is not as bad as getting beheaded.' Again... come on.

PS
If I sound inflammatory, I apologize. I do not have any intentions of flaming you [or indeed any of the aforementioned proponents of weed]. I am merely passionate. As things turn out, I'm passionately against the idea of weed, or 'recreational drugs' in general.

FlameHelix · Jun 3, 2012

People are saying 'it's bad for you'. But I want facts. Scientifically proven facts. If you can not provide these facts then don't bother posting 'omg iz illegulz bad 4 u becuz presidnt sez so lolz'. Same thing with the 'it's good for you' argument.

Tom Bombadildo · Jun 3, 2012

So after doing some more research because why not, I found this Wiki Answer page to be quite...interesting. There are arguments for and against it, peoples personal accounts on the use of it and it's effects and more. I suggest reading it if you're interested, there was some pretty informative stuff in it.

ShadowSoldier · Jun 3, 2012

FireGrey said:
> It's bad for you and if it were legal kids would be doing it.
> It puts you in a socially unacceptable state.
> If you do it while you drive there can be an accident.
> Brings up moral issues with people over doing drugs.

> Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, and kids are doing both of those, and I'm pretty sure cigarettes are waaaaaay worse than marijuana (laced stuff not included).
> Socially unacceptable? Again, I'm just going to use me as an example, but if anything, it makes me more sociable and more fun to be around with.
> That could be said about anything though. That's why a lot of places are starting to enforce rules that there can absolutely be nothing in your hands while you drive, whether it's a drink, food, phone, or whatever. But it also does depend on the person, depending on how high the person gets.
> I'm confused by this so I'm leaving this one blank.

ShadowSoldier · Jun 3, 2012

Guild McCommunist said:
ShadowSoldier said:

Actually for the case of how long it will last, 60 bucks worth of weed is nothing, but we get a deal where we can buy an ounce or two, and it will actually last us for the whole month.
We've actually calculated this (we calculate shit a lot to get the real facts), but between me and my friend, an ounce can last us a whole month. That costs about 140. Now that money, say we didn't buy weed, it would have gotten used on something stupid and frivolous, like junk food, alcohol, or something stupid. The money would actually be wasted. Sure we could save up our money for something better and shit, but by the time we saved up our weed money, we'd already have the money anyways. It could go into savings sure, but you can say that about video games, movies, fast food restaurants and everything.

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Well, weed is kinda "frivolous and stupid" honestly. I mean video games are too but so is almost any luxury.

But still, once you smoke that weed, your money is gone and that weed is gone. I can get a video game and play it until the day it breaks (if it ever does). It's always there. Plus video games (for my friends and I at least) go far beyond the screen. They usually become a topic of discussion, a centerpoint for creativity (it's not like we write fanfics or something lame but if we have to do an art or Photoshop project we may use video games as inspiration). Smoking weed just seems like a shallow money hole (in my eyes at least) over something that extends a lot farther than just a joint. A video game, a movie, a music album (I was gonna say "a CD" but that's apparently dated now), a book. All things that probably last longer, are constantly there, and extend far beyond their actual properties.

Here are the pics I mentioned before: First three are mine, rest are my friends.

1: http://postimage.org/image/9hc89gpf5/
2: http://postimage.org/image/i63yumugh/
3: http://postimage.org/image/kibys871t/
4: http://postimage.org/image/afx6phs4x/
5: http://postimage.org/image/ngdizo435/
6: http://postimage.org/image/vbo2ehdpt/
7: http://postimage.org/image/5jy5bjhdd/
8: http://postimage.org/image/u1q8zfjxt/

5% · Jun 3, 2012

ShadowSoldier said:
Ok so let's try to have

Haha I remember we had a good thread going a few years ago. I'm having difficulty finding that thread though.. A lot of info was shared!

Shano56 · Jun 3, 2012

FireGrey said:
> It's bad for you and if it were legal kids would be doing it.
> It puts you in a socially unacceptable state.
> If you do it while you drive there can be an accident.
> Brings up moral issues with people over doing drugs.

How is these points you stated any different than alcohol, or tobacco (except the driving part for the tobacco)

snikerz · Jun 3, 2012

Shano56 said:
How is these points you stated any different than alcohol, or tobacco (except the driving part for the tobacco)

But cultural norms make it pretty much impossible to make these illegal, although it would surely be the right choice.

FireGrey · Jun 4, 2012

Shano56 said:
FireGrey said:

> It's bad for you and if it were legal kids would be doing it.
> It puts you in a socially unacceptable state.
> If you do it while you drive there can be an accident.
> Brings up moral issues with people over doing drugs.

Click to expand...

How is these points you stated any different than alcohol, or tobacco (except the driving part for the tobacco)

they aren't...
Plus they can't ban alcohol because last time they tried that it started organized crime and so much people are addicted to cigarettes that banning them will also create a similar effect to banning alcohol.

Deleted-188346 · Jun 4, 2012

Urza said:
The world exists in shades of grey, not black and white. Harder drugs have a much more immediate and detrimental health impact with little to no legitimate use-cases. If the government legalized suicide, would you suggest they legalize murder as well?

I agree, the world isn't black and white. I think that you're misinterpreting my argument. I was trying to say that if we legalise weed just because "people will get their fix regardless", then we may as well legalise everything which people are actively using and obtaining, simply because they will "get their fix" anyway. The law shouldn't cave on things simply because people are getting it anyway. If prevention is difficult, then only further funding or technology is the solution, not giving in.

Urza said:
As for resilient gangsters, it's true. Crime will persist no matter what. With additional competition however, and as you say, they will likely have to lower prices to compete. There are also many people completely willing to spend a larger sum of money to guarantee a legitimate source. That means less profits for the gangs.

While it's true that some people would prefer a legitimate source, the illegal alternative may potentially still be cheaper (they don't have to follow regulations or pay people appropriate wages) and still an attractive product . Infact, due to the legalisation, more people may become interested in weed and thus may seek the cheaper illegal alternative. Gangs probably wouldn't care if the government is suddenly taking a cut of their market if their profit margins remain the same. There's a lot of uncertainty as to what exactly will happen (with gangs, at least) if weed was legalised.

Urza said:
Going back to your qualifier for a moment, you claim "criminals are generally very skilled at adapting". I don't disagree. If you use that as justification for not making any attempt to combat them however, you might as well abolish law altogether and let said criminals run the place.

Again, I think you're misinterpreting my argument. People think that if weed was legalised, that the gangs would be financially damaged (thus a reason to legalise). However, my point is that these gangs will likely just adapt to the new legislation. You shouldn't legalise a product that is used to fund gangs simply to try and hurt them. You should legalise it if it has no reason to be illegalised.

However, I feel that marijuana has many reasons to be illegalised.

But I can't be stuffed listing them all. I'm just addressing the points that others are making.

Urza said:
Disclaimer: As stated in my previous post, I'm not a fan of recreational drug use in any form.

Even if you were a fan of recreational drug use, your arguments wouldn't be any less valid.

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