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The state of American journalism

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In terms of debate, he's at least attempted to refute most, if not ALL of your points in every thread I've seen you two going at it. You, on the other hand, continue with full force while refusing to yield to reason. You've even stated yourself that you didn't read some of his sources because they were wrong... Hard to respect that..
Sometimes it's hard to face facts, especially when you've been conned or are susceptible to being conned. The impasse we hit in the Net Neutrality debate is that Maverick was willing to take Ajit Pai, Comcast, and other corporate entities at their word, and take that word at face value. I am not willing to feign naivety like that.

The debate stayed mostly civil, at least for my part...
 
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I think politics on Temp would be totally fine so long as US politics weren't permitted. Again, US politics are way too sensationalist. My candidate is going to save western society. Your candidate is evil and gonna kill it, or my candidate is a saint that will bring progress and equality, your candidate is LITERALLY HITLER!!!!!!!!!!

I understand I'm paraphrasing quite a bit here but the point is that if you look at the majority of discourse regarding political candidates, it's always some extreme shit, painting them out to be some ridiculously powerful person or centralized point of power in the entire country when that really just isn't the case. People put all this weight and reputation on one person and it's absurd.
 

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annnnnd this is why we can't have a politics section on temp.

I've said something akin to this before. I have no issue with healthy debate, but it becomes problematic when:

1) The premise or original topic of the thread is completely disregarded to heavily relay personal thought or feelings..

2) It becomes a cesspool of shit slinging and gets way off topic..

3) Some people don't know when to quit, or they completely shut someone else out (outside of reason) and use the "ignore" function and convinced themselves they've won.

It's a problem with humans I spose.
 

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In terms of debate, he's at least attempted to refute most, if not ALL of your points in every thread I've seen you two going at it. You, on the other hand, continue with full force while refusing to yield to reason. You've even stated yourself that you didn't read some of his sources because they were wrong... Hard to respect that..
But at the same time understandable, if unfortunate. If you have grown up in an environment that provided honest information it becomes a lot easier to recognize and doubt false information while still processing it. However if you grew up in the reverse usually that involves training yourself to automatically reject information that casts doubt on your world view - and your world view is neccesary to function within the world, so if it's in doubt then interacting with the world becomes much more difficult.
 
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I think politics on Temp would be totally fine so long as US politics weren't permitted. Again, US politics are way too sensationalist. My candidate is going to save western society. Your candidate is evil and gonna kill it, or my candidate is a saint that will bring progress and equality, your candidate is LITERALLY HITLER!!!!!!!!!!

I understand I'm paraphrasing quite a bit here but the point is that if you look at the majority of discourse regarding political candidates, it's always some extreme shit, painting them out to be some ridiculously powerful person or centralized point of power in the entire country when that really just isn't the case. People put all this weight and reputation on one person and it's absurd.

What's funny is that you learn otherwise in school.
 

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If only journalist would actually read this. I esp disliked how it seemed like the msm wanted riots and for race relations to sour, so they could film it for ratings. There is this thing called "minimize harm", which they never seem to bother doing.

https://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
 
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Sometimes it's hard to face facts, especially when you've been conned or are susceptible to being conned. The impasse we hit in the Net Neutrality debate is that Maverick was willing to take Ajit Pai, Comcast, and other corporate entities at their word, and take that word at face value. I am not willing to feign naivety like that.

The debate stayed mostly civil, at least for my part...
>taking literally anyone but lobbyists and journalism sites at face value is bad
>but taking any journalist site that's sensationalist and fearmongering at face value and not even remotely questioning it is perfectly fine
I'm out of thinking emojis so here's this garbage instead
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What's funny is that you learn otherwise in school.
The executive has become far more powerful over time, which is why Trump has conducted the majority of his actions unilaterally, without any checks or balances.

but taking any journalist site that's sensationalist and fearmongering at face value and not even remotely questioning it is perfectly fine
I never said it was. But you call everything sensationalist because it doesn't conform to your silly views on corporate responsibility.
 
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annnnnd this is why we can't have a politics section on temp.
And you know why? It's because of your behavior.

The third page of this thread is all about you and @MaverickWellington stroking each other's ego while being disrespectful to another user. Yes, what @Xzi wrote is debatable, but it doesn't mean that you should partake to a conversation about how this user is bad in a thread about the state of American journalism. Believe it or not, people don't like discussing with people that lack respect towards each other.

Now, can we please get back in topic?
 
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More on topic, I really dislike American journalism and media as a whole and have for years now. Remember the Trayvon Martin shit? Sensitive topic so get your pitchforks out to lynch me but when the media was muddying the whole debate by intentionally witholding information, and showing clear bias by showing only specific photos (IE Trayvon as a kid and Zimmerman's mugshots) they really fucked up the debate for a lot of people, which is why some people still believe Zimmerman is white and was a white supremacist and not just some Hispanic dork who doesn't know how to obey police orders.

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he didn't follow Trayvon, but he also wouldn't have had to defend himself if his head weren't slammed into the concrete several times. Not that the media would report that second part, though.
 
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The executive has become far more powerful over time, which is why Trump has conducted the majority of his actions unilaterally, without any checks or balances.
can you quote the constitution for me please? Thanks. Like you said earlier:
Trump also passed one piece of legislation in 2017
 
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And you know why? It's because of your behavior.

The third page of this thread is all about you and @MaverickWellington stroking each other's ego while being disrespectful to another user. Yes, what @Xzi wrote is debatable, but it doesn't mean that you should partake to a conversation about how this user is bad in a thread about the state of American journalism. Believe it or not, people don't like discussing with people that lack respect towards each other.

Now, can we please get back in topic?
Yes I agree my behavior was uncalled for.
 

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But at the same time understandable, if unfortunate. If you have grown up in an environment that provided honest information it becomes a lot easier to recognize and doubt false information while still processing it. However if you grew up in the reverse usually that involves training yourself to automatically reject information that casts doubt on your world view - and your world view is neccesary to function within the world, so if it's in doubt then interacting with the world becomes much more difficult.

This is part of the problem in terms of debate. You're not going in to convince everyone you're right and they're wrong. You go in to argue your point, while trying to refute your "partner's" point(s). At the same time you try to understand and learn new information that either enforces your opinion/viewpoint or further understand/take to heart your opponent's.. I know what it's like to grow up in the latter. I've been there. I used to honestly believe everything my parents said. I mean EVERYTHING. (Didn't we all to some point?)
 

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annnnnd this is why we can't have a politics section on temp.
Honestly, what's the big deal? If anything, the mods should be lenient on the politic section, and let things run rampant. Just make sure it stays inside the politic section. What's the worst that could happen, if people start arguing? As long as it stays here, I see no big deal. If people don't like it, they can always just not click the politic section link. :P
 
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Honestly, what's the big deal? If anything, the mods should be lenient on the politic section, and let things run rampant. Just make sure it stays inside the politic section. What's the worst that could happen, if people start arguing? As long as it stays here, I see no big deal. If people don't like it, they can always just not click the politic section link. :P
we should just have a political debate thread at this point. where everybody can do what Xzi, Maverick, and I have been doing for the past two pages.
 

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More on topic, I really dislike American journalism and media as a whole and have for years now. Remember the Trayvon Martin shit? Sensitive topic so get your pitchforks out to lynch me but when the media was muddying the whole debate by intentionally witholding information, and showing clear bias by showing only specific photos (IE Trayvon as a kid and Zimmerman's mugshots) they really fucked up the debate for a lot of people, which is why some people still believe Zimmerman is white and was a white supremacist and not just some Hispanic dork who doesn't know how to obey police orders.

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he didn't follow Trayvon, but he also wouldn't have had to defend himself if his head weren't slammed into the concrete several times. Not that the media would report that second part, though.

The Trayvon Martin case was both upsetting and hilarious. It showed the true colors of a LOT of people.

Then there's the Ferguson case...
 
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More on topic, I really dislike American journalism and media as a whole and have for years now. Remember the Trayvon Martin shit? Sensitive topic so get your pitchforks out to lynch me but when the media was muddying the whole debate by intentionally witholding information, and showing clear bias by showing only specific photos (IE Trayvon as a kid and Zimmerman's mugshots) they really fucked up the debate for a lot of people, which is why some people still believe Zimmerman is white and was a white supremacist and not just some Hispanic dork who doesn't know how to obey police orders.

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he didn't follow Trayvon, but he also wouldn't have had to defend himself if his head weren't slammed into the concrete several times. Not that the media would report that second part, though.
Funny how you say the media muddies the waters by doing that but you don't mention what the right wing media did, which was the exact same on the opposite end of the spectrum.
 
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Then there's the Ferguson case...
That was bad. That was real bad. I wasn't paying a lot of attention in those times, yet I couldn't believe some of the stuff I heard when I was.

This country is in a rough spot. Journalism doesn't help.
 
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