Hacking 3DS 11.5 system update incoming

[Deleted member 414991]

I was just talking about modifying the contents of removable storage, not reading it.

 

[Father Crilly]

Microsoft can survive the scandal because they are ubiquitous. Nintendo wouldn't be able to. There's plenty of viable options for video games.

Not sure there would be a scandal. And Nintendo shamelessly copyright claim YouTube videos with their videogame footage. They are legally allowed to do that, and I respect their right. They received bad PR for that and didn't seem to give a shit and it has all blown over now.

 

[Quantumcat]

Not sure there would be a scandal. And Nintendo shamelessly copyright claim YouTube videos with their videogame footage. They are legally allowed to do that, and I respect their right. They received bad PR for that and didn't seem to give a shit and it has all blown over now.

See what jupiteer said. The examples given weren't actually modifying user data.

 

[GerbilSoft]

Not sure there would be a scandal. And Nintendo shamelessly copyright claim YouTube videos with their videogame footage. They are legally allowed to do that, and I respect their right. They received bad PR for that and didn't seem to give a shit and it has all blown over now.

I've just been reminded of this incident: https://www.howtogeek.com/243581/windows-10-may-delete-your-programs-without-asking/

The update process for Windows 10 1511 intentionally uninstalled software that Microsoft claimed was "incompatible", without warning the user beforehand. There was no uproar over this because they just accepted the fact that Microsoft basically owns your computer now.

 

[Izeman]

Off-topic slightly - I'm on 11.4 and I'm trying to update a cartridge based game, but it tells me to update to 11.5 before I can download the game update. I can download the game's latest update to my PC, is there any way to install it to my SD card without updating?

If you can get the update in CIA format, for the region corresponding to your game, you can install it like any other CIA using FBI. Game updates for cart games are not stored on the card but on the SD card as any other digital game.

 

[JavaScribe]

I never got an answer to my question...
Although I think I got it fixed now.
...well. When I try to boot HBL now, it just sends me back to the home menu. With the sfx as if I'd hit the home button. Only, Swapdoodle closes.
Not even an error message.
...any suggestions?
(n11.5u, no CFW, doodlebomb was working on 11.4 but now it's not)

Spoiler: Such Legit

...Microsoft basically owns your computer now.

Beware 3DS users, your systems belong to Ninty.
Beware Windows users, your computer belongs to MS.
Beware Mac users, your computer belongs to Apple.
Beware Linux users, your computer belongs to... the Internet!

 

[Deleted member 414991]

You need the 11.5 payloads

 

[JavaScribe]

You need the 11.5 payloads

I actually replaced one too many files. I fixed the ones that I shouldn't have replaced, but I'm obviously missing something here.
Are we sure ninjhax-based HBL entrypoints work on CFW-less 11.5? (n3DS as stated before)

 

[Izeman]

It isn't the legal side that they'd be worried about. It would be people being outraged and causing a public relations nightmare. Nobody wants to think that they could put personal pictures or documents on their SD card and have Nintendo look at them or delete them or modify them. Even if that isn't the case, general users won't understand Nintendo is only modifying one particular file to slow down hackers. Facts won't get in the way of a good uninformed media beat-up.

It wouldn’t be pictures or “personal” data being removed, but hacked firmware files. Unless you’re telling us you call your ComicCon photo album “boot.firm”.

And then again, Nintendo could’ve used a proprietary file system for SD cards on the 3DS, rendering unable to read/write from/to it using a PC. Just because you can put whatever you want on your 3DS SD card, it doesn’t mean you should, because the 3DS uses it for its purposes. It’s not like you’re plugging an external USB drive to your laptop. That SD card is solely used by the console for its mumbo-jumbo. Being able to use it as you would on a PC is only added bonus.

Thus said, if Nintendo were to remove files that shouldn’t be there, it’s only the user to blame for using the SD card improperly.
Or they could just add a disclaimer in the EULA saying that any user data not created by the console itself could be lost during system updates and be fine.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

yes
get the 11.5 payloads

 

[JavaScribe]

yes
get the 11.5 payloads

I did. I replaced the otherapp.bin with the new otherapp payload for 11.5.
Maybe I used the ropbin on accident, since I downloaded both. I'll try downloading the otherapp again so I know I'm using that one.
Edit: I had the wrong one in the root folder, but that was only there for soundhax and steelhax. I replaced all of the files in \doodlebomb with fresh ones, making sure to use the right ones. (I used the ropbin in the root folder- it was 65K instead of 27K. The one in the doodlebomb folder was the right size, though.)
Edit 2: Ok, something is fixed now. It reached a yellow screen before freezing- it probably just failed to load. It does that.
...and I'm in! Problem solved!
By the way, does steelhax still work at all? I've tried rerunning the installer, and it says it was successful every time, but I'm not sure at what point it stopped working...

 

[Quantumcat]

It wouldn’t be pictures or “personal” data being removed, but hacked firmware files.

As I said before, end users would not know the difference and the media would beat it up. It's a dangerous precedent and possibly illegal. In any case, they could have done it from 2015 when a9lh was in full swing, and they didn't. So it makes it unlikely they'll start doing it now.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

Not sure there would be a scandal. And Nintendo shamelessly copyright claim YouTube videos with their videogame footage. They are legally allowed to do that, and I respect their right. They received bad PR for that and didn't seem to give a shit and it has all blown over now.

Technically most videos they claim fall into a legal gray area. Due to copyright and fair use laws being a bit antiquated at this point, things like let's play videos kinda fall into both fair use and copyright. And really the media companies want to keep it that way.

 

[F3NR1S]

I'm on A9LH+Luma, if I update now can I still install B9S later?

 

[Quantumcat]

I'm on A9LH+Luma, if I update now can I still install B9S later?

Yes

 

[Deleted User]

Reinand doesn't have any advantages over luma like 3ds does over smartphones so your argument doesn't work

with rei you dont need to add crap for a stealth cfw you delete a few files with luma you have to install more crap for stealth i see an advantage with reinand

 

[Deleted member 414991]

With luma there aren't any files to delete. Everything is in boot.firm. You don't need to download anything, crowding up your sd card. If you really want stealth for some reason, get the kecleon patch. All that takes is replacing a file, as opposed to deleting files that your cfw uses.

 

[Deleted User]

With luma there aren't any files to delete. Everything is in boot.firm. You don't need to download anything, crowding up your sd card. If you really want stealth for some reason, get the kecleon patch. All that takes is replacing a file, as opposed to deleting files that your cfw uses.

but that is ADDING crap where with rei you delete some files

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Why do you even need stealth? With reinand, you need a bunch of extra files to even boot.

 

[Deleted User]

Why do you even need stealth? With reinand, you need a bunch of extra files to even boot.

firmware.bin is a bunch of files?