Gaming Nintendo likes money and the marketplace is dumb enough to give it to them

[Spider_Man]

Also if you take a look none of the games for switch require a gemmick for a true completion. Yes if your 100% botw then yah its needed (motion control puzzle), however you don't need to beat all shrines to get the true ending of the game, so regardless its still optional. I honestly feel that this time Nintendo left most of the gemmicks out. If you don't like switching the console don't do it. Keep in handheld, or console mode. No game needs it. Arms doesn't require motion controls, as their is a option for traditional controls. breath of the wild give the option to disable motion controls as well. Mario kart again, no motion controls necessary. I'm trying to bring up that, you don't need to switch from handheld to console or viceversa to play. So, in this case, as I see it. its more of a option, and not a gemmick. Its optional if you wish to switch it. Its optional if you wish to play with motion controls. its optional. However this is my opinion, and I know that there a bound to people who disagree.

ok ok.....

lets put it like this, OPTIONAL.

the normal controller is OPTIONAL, whereas the gimmick is FORCED as DEFAULT.

it is exactly the same as the wii was and the wii u, forcing a gimmick controller.

yes some games may offer support for a normal controller, but you tailor to the masses, and everyone has joycons, why do you think the wii was so poorly littered with the same shovelware crap?

heres one for you, ZELDA you dont need to do anything, it has nothing to complete the game.

the only reason you have repetetive shrines is to gain enough hearts to then surivie the battle with gannon, you dont even need to do the devine beasts, you dont even need to do any side quests.

this game litrally is just an over sized map with no story, no direction, just run aimlessly in the hope to find something.

for an open world game it sucks balls BIG TIME.

and before the fans cry..... I LIKE ZELDA GAMES, but this is just poor, this hasnt been the game they planned for the wii u, its something they just slapped out to demo the motion control features of the joycon... hence why it has no levels or dungeons or even a fecking story for ffs.

but back to our chat, potable or on tv, makes no diff to me when there is nothing to play.

the fact that is marketed as a home console and nintendo being cheap merging its portable market into one (CAN CLEARLY SEE THEIR GOAL HERE).

 

[Deleted User]

ok ok.....

lets put it like this, OPTIONAL.

the normal controller is OPTIONAL, whereas the gimmick is FORCED as DEFAULT.

it is exactly the same as the wii was and the wii u, forcing a gimmick controller.

yes some games may offer support for a normal controller, but you tailor to the masses, and everyone has joycons, why do you think the wii was so poorly littered with the same shovelware crap?

heres one for you, ZELDA you dont need to do anything, it has nothing to complete the game.

the only reason you have repetetive shrines is to gain enough hearts to then surivie the battle with gannon, you dont even need to do the devine beasts, you dont even need to do any side quests.

this game litrally is just an over sized map with no story, no direction, just run aimlessly in the hope to find something.

for an open world game it sucks balls BIG TIME.

and before the fans cry..... I LIKE ZELDA GAMES, but this is just poor, this hasnt been the game they planned for the wii u, its something they just slapped out to demo the motion control features of the joycon... hence why it has no levels or dungeons or even a fecking story for ffs.

but back to our chat, potable or on tv, makes no diff to me when there is nothing to play.

the fact that is marketed as a home console and nintendo being cheap merging its portable market into one (CAN CLEARLY SEE THEIR GOAL HERE).

NO its optional if you want to deal with the motions controls or the split joy-cons! Put it in the grip. YOUR NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. you have all the same buttons a traditional controller, and even a shell for it. You do not, and I know this, because I OWN a switch, you do not have to seperate the joy cons, you can just keep it as a traditional controller. Saying that is forced, is false. Your are the one who is decieding weather not you want it in handheld mode or console. The games don't force you to switch, the games don't FORCE you to take out those joy cons and use a single one. the joy cons have the exact same functionality as a pro controller!
A:you never played the system
B:you never played breath of the wild
C: and clearly you are extremely ignorant
Because, you know why there is little story. Because the game allows the player to do whatever they want. THE reason, breath of the wild is a breath of fresh air is because. YOU make your story, it's zelda 1, everything can be done out of order, you can choose how to take out enemies. ITS THE CHOICE AND FREEDOM. Do I want to look on top of that mountain? ok I'll climb it. can't climb it? No problem find a octorock ballon and a boat, now your flying. The game pays attention to the most TINIEST of details. The bokoblins alone are unexpecting, if they see you and you throw a bomb at them, they might throw that bomb back or, kick it back at you. You know what horizon forgot about its arrows? How elements react with eachother, if you shoot a fire based arrow to a pool of water in the game, it doesn't extingish. But guess what game does? Breath of the wild, infact there is so much detail in the game that you don't know about. Bomb arrows will denate in areas that are too hot, you can be struck by lighting if your holding a metal weapon. Hell they even pay attention to water! I got to gorron city without the fire potion. I used some food, or kept on munching on food to restore my hearts, because I wanted to get to gorron city in the most REDICLOUS way possible, the game didn't say I had to do this, but I choose to do it anyways., I saw some hot springs, I got in, because I was burning up so any possible way of cooling myself I did, just as expected i would stop burning. But what I wasn't expecting is when I left the water, I wasn't burning up rightaway, because the water that I just interacted with was preventing me from burining up right away, because my clothes were soaking wet. AND NO you don't need the shrines, the shrines certainly help. But you can beat the game without the extra 116 shrines (4 shrines in game are required, but they are simple runes, not even explaining all too well how they work so the player has to make assumptions. But these are tools needed to explore rest of the game) And this game is a example of a hardcore game, or, is targeting to the core people. I never died in a 3d zelda, until this game. I got so many game overs, for my first 100 hours of playing, I proably died over 500 times. if you don't have any idea what your getting yourself your going to die a ton. And just saying "the game has no story" Well did you even look around? Because their is a diary, zelda's diary, that shows her personality to get her sealing powers to work. The reason the game occurs, it's because zelda's mother died, and so, couldn't teach zelda how to seal gannon. Also its shown that Zelda envy's link because he has already suceeded at getting his item, aka the master sword, Link reminds Zelda how she is failing. Also link pretty much died. In a flashback, its shown that link is on the verge of death after zelda's failure to seal gannon. SO sounds like this game DOES have a story. But again, your ignorance. And if the game sucks big time, why is everyone buying it. HELL there are more botw switch copies, than there are switches! And breath of the wild has nearly a 100 attach rating. meaning every person who is getting a switch is getting breath of the wild. Also, the motion controls where added because the joy cons have a small radius means that if you are aiming your going to overshoot until you either get use to it, or turn on the motion controls, which where added to help aim, but you still STILL can use the right stick, meaning you can aim with the right, and then for accuracy use motion controls. But guess what exists in the options menu. DISABLE MOTION CONTROLS.

 

[Seliph]

ok ok.....

lets put it like this, OPTIONAL.

the normal controller is OPTIONAL, whereas the gimmick is FORCED as DEFAULT.

it is exactly the same as the wii was and the wii u, forcing a gimmick controller.

yes some games may offer support for a normal controller, but you tailor to the masses, and everyone has joycons, why do you think the wii was so poorly littered with the same shovelware crap?

heres one for you, ZELDA you dont need to do anything, it has nothing to complete the game.

the only reason you have repetetive shrines is to gain enough hearts to then surivie the battle with gannon, you dont even need to do the devine beasts, you dont even need to do any side quests.

this game litrally is just an over sized map with no story, no direction, just run aimlessly in the hope to find something.

for an open world game it sucks balls BIG TIME.

and before the fans cry..... I LIKE ZELDA GAMES, but this is just poor, this hasnt been the game they planned for the wii u, its something they just slapped out to demo the motion control features of the joycon... hence why it has no levels or dungeons or even a fecking story for ffs.

but back to our chat, potable or on tv, makes no diff to me when there is nothing to play.

the fact that is marketed as a home console and nintendo being cheap merging its portable market into one (CAN CLEARLY SEE THEIR GOAL HERE).

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NO its optional if you want to deal with the motions controls or the split joy-cons! Put it in the grip. YOUR NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. you have all the same buttons a traditional controller, and even a shell for it. You do not, and I know this, because I OWN a switch, you do not have to seperate the joy cons, you can just keep it as a traditional controller. Saying that is forced, is false. Your are the one who is decieding weather not you want it in handheld mode or console. The games don't force you to switch, the games don't FORCE you to take out those joy cons and use a single one. the joy cons have the exact same functionality as a pro controller!
A:you never played the system
B:you never played breath of the wild
C: and clearly you are extremely ignorant
Because, you know why there is little story. Because the game allows the player to do whatever they want. THE reason, breath of the wild is a breath of fresh air is because. YOU make your story, it's zelda 1, everything can be done out of order, you can choose how to take out enemies. ITS THE CHOICE AND FREEDOM. Do I want to look on top of that mountain? ok I'll climb it. can't climb it? No problem find a octorock ballon and a boat, now your flying. The game pays attention to the most TINIEST of details. The bokoblins alone are unexpecting, if they see you and you throw a bomb at them, they might throw that bomb back or, kick it back at you. You know what horizon forgot about its arrows? How elements react with eachother, if you shoot a fire based arrow to a pool of water in the game, it doesn't extingish. But guess what game does? Breath of the wild, infact there is so much detail in the game that you don't know about. Bomb arrows will denate in areas that are too hot, you can be struck by lighting if your holding a metal weapon. Hell they even pay attention to water! I got to gorron city without the fire potion. I used some food, or kept on munching on food to restore my hearts, because I wanted to get to gorron city in the most REDICLOUS way possible, the game didn't say I had to do this, but I choose to do it anyways., I saw some hot springs, I got in, because I was burning up so any possible way of cooling myself I did, just as expected i would stop burning. But what I wasn't expecting is when I left the water, I wasn't burning up rightaway, because the water that I just interacted with was preventing me from burining up right away, because my clothes were soaking wet. AND NO you don't need the shrines, the shrines certainly help. But you can beat the game without the extra 116 shrines (4 shrines in game are required, but they are simple runes, not even explaining all too well how they work so the player has to make assumptions. But these are tools needed to explore rest of the game) And this game is a example of a hardcore game, or, is targeting to the core people. I never died in a 3d zelda, until this game. I got so many game overs, for my first 100 hours of playing, I proably died over 500 times. if you don't have any idea what your getting yourself your going to die a ton. And just saying "the game has no story" Well did you even look around? Because their is a diary, zelda's diary, that shows her personality to get her sealing powers to work. The reason the game occurs, it's because zelda's mother died, and so, couldn't teach zelda how to seal gannon. Also its shown that Zelda envy's link because he has already suceeded at getting his item, aka the master sword, Link reminds Zelda how she is failing. Also link pretty much died. In a flashback, its shown that link is on the verge of death after zelda's failure to seal gannon. SO sounds like this game DOES have a story. But again, your ignorance. And if the game sucks big time, why is everyone buying it. HELL there are more botw switch copies, than there are switches! And breath of the wild has nearly a 100 attach rating. meaning every person who is getting a switch is getting breath of the wild. Also, the motion controls where added because the joy cons have a small radius means that if you are aiming your going to overshoot until you either get use to it, or turn on the motion controls, which where added to help aim, but you still STILL can use the right stick, meaning you can aim with the right, and then for accuracy use motion controls. But guess what exists in the options menu. DISABLE MOTION CONTROLS.

Holy shit that's an essay. You might want to add a tl;dr

 

[the_randomizer]

Wow, it's almost as if a business was out to make money or something. This is news to me.

 

[Deleted User]

Why do I even bother to argue. This person cannot get anything through his thick skull. You don't need to use the joy cons separately, you can just keep it in the grip and leave it. Or is that the gemmick? because if it is then thats like being angry that sony has allowed a fight pad for their fighting games, so does that mean that every single game that allows a arcade pad is just a gemmick? Well many don't see it as one. You don't have to deal with the motion controls, you don't have to use handheld mode or console mode. You don't have to keep the joy cons on, nor do you need to keep them off. ITS CHOICE, options, not default. because all of them is what the owner and question does with it. I'm done with this extremely pointless argument, I'm going to say this. Retro, you are extremely thick headed, unreasonable, and exceptionally ignorant.

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Wow, it's almost as if a business was out to make money or something. This is news to me.

yep, but everyone continues to complain about mk8 deluxe being ported.

 

[the_randomizer]

Why do I even bother to argue. This person cannot get anything through his thick skull. You don't need to use the joy cons separately, you can just keep it in the grip and leave it. Or is that the gemmick? because if it is then thats like being angry that sony has allowed a fight pad for their fighting games, so does that mean that every single game that allows a arcade pad is just a gemmick? Well many don't see it as one. You don't have to deal with the motion controls, you don't have to use handheld mode or console mode. You don't have to keep the joy cons on, nor do you need to keep them off. ITS CHOICE, options, not default. because all of them is what the owner and question does with it. I'm done with this extremely pointless argument, I'm going to say this. Retro, you are extremely thick headed, unreasonable, and exceptionally ignorant.

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yep, but everyone continues to complain about mk8 deluxe being ported.

Yeah well they need to grow up and get over it.

 

[Deleted User]

Yeah well they need to grow up and get over it.

Thats what I said ages ago!

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first off, the market place isn't being dumb. Why go buy a dieing console and a game that is still 60 bucks on that dead console. When you can buy a new console, that is likely to be supported AND have features the other system doesn't AND since that game was on obscure console it was wise to port it over. Why are complaining about this? Its like getting angry that sega ported sonic adventure from their dead dreamcast to the gamecube. LIKE SERIOUSLY, grow up.

"Also, from a company point a view. Its not stupid to port that game over. Infact, its rather smart. Why go wasting recources on a new game, when you have a game most of the public has not touched?" Thats what I said ages before the main argument began with retro

 

[Pippin666]

ok

talk about sheep.

lets pay £280 for a new console to play the exact same games i already own.

no sorry, this is what amazes me with nintendo fans, they slate other systems for something, then its ok when its nintendo.

mario kart has always been portable, that is no excuse to the fact that nintendo couldnt be arsed to give you a new game.

so because the wii u was a failure for being another old last gen revamp (with no third party support) its ok to port its games over, erm ok if nintendo cant be arsed to make new games then why are third parties going to.

ohh wait erm are we then going to see the same thing again, which is why many people now have a dislike for nintendo...... third partys then port its old games that we already own on the other systems, now that nintendo has the hardware its only took how many years...

sorry i couldnt give a crap is it was portable, it could suck my dick i still woulndt give a crap.

why pay full whack for an old game that you already own and completed years ago.

nintendo clearly lost grasp of the gaming industry, how its moved on and only care about making a fad cheap system and print money.

i guess the way you need to look at it is this.

when other systems not only improve hardware, they also get new titles that push further, do new things.

nintendo take years to then come close to getting these games ported.

i can see maybe why the fanboys get all moist because they can finaly get to play these third party titles, but to those that own every console on the market, you look at nintendo and think why the fuck would i want to buy that when i completed it years ago and own it already.


because its portable.....

naa, but he ho, im sure theyll be its fans to the rescue on this quoting me.

You haven't said one thing intelligent. Every console starts with ports and remasters and remakes and the shizzle.

Pip'

 

[Risingdawn]

Retroboy talks shit anyway, he spurts about gimmick controllers and child friendly games without acknowledging that Nintendo where making TOYS and LIGHT GUN games and GAME AND WATCH handheld games long before the nes ever entered the scene.

Unfortunately Retroboy believes the world revolves around himself and that what he wants is all that matters. Read any of his posts and count how many self referential narcissist comments he makes.

Unfortunately he also has such an underdeveloped intellect that his imagination stretches no further than a PlayStation with Nintendo branded onto the front.

It's unsurprising he's so pissed off though, when you're that intellectually challenged I guess your wallet can only stretch to one console every 8 years.

Maybe if he spent less time worrying about video games, brand loyalty and marketing he might actually make enough money to not give a shit what's branded onto the box and instead buy whatever it is he wants to enjoy.

 

[Deleted User]

Retroboy talks shit anyway, he spurts about gimmick controllers and child friendly games without acknowledging that Nintendo where making TOYS and LIGHT GUN games and GAME AND WATCH handheld games long before the nes ever entered the scene.

Unfortunately Retroboy believes the world revolves around himself and that what he wants is all that matters. Read any of his posts and count how many self referential narcissist comments he makes.

Unfortunately he also has such an underdeveloped intellect that his imagination stretches no further than a PlayStation with Nintendo branded onto the front.

It's unsurprising he's so pissed off though, when you're that intellectually challenged I guess your wallet can only stretch to one console every 8 years.

Maybe if he spent less time worrying about video games, brand loyalty and marketing he might actually make enough money to not give a shit what's branded onto the box and instead buy whatever it is he wants to enjoy.

Well, that's a problem, because I'm mentally challenge. HDHD high function ( Asperger syndrome) and another issue, but that relates to mood. But my point is, I'm technically mentally challenged, which would be sad to find out if he doesn't have a metal distorter of any kind, because that just proves how far humanity has gone down the drain. Because it just would prove the humanity is slowly decaying, and becoming more and more idiotic, I mean look at the internet. People are CONSTANTLY triggered, and its absurd. I mean just a while ago (a long time ago) PETA decided to complain about 1-2 switch because there was milking cows without describing the process. That was PETA's complaint, it wasn't the entire process. And don't get me talking about fanboy wars. Honestly, I like all consoles, as long as they have a game or two that catches my eye, I'll buy the console, I never want any of the big 3 to leave. Because if one does it means less competition which then translates to more laziness. And all 3 play a very special role. Nintendo changed how gaming is done. They created the gamepad design (not talking wiiu gampad. I'm speaking controller layout, example where the directional movement is and buttons) , all other controllers before Nintendo (except one of atari's consoles) all the controllers were made exceptionally annoying having a vertical layout than a horizontal one. You know you got to ask. If Nintendo never made zelda. Would the open world genre exist? And not only that, But sony would never jump in, nor would we have sega. And microsoft joined because of sega and sony. So if you think about it. The gaming genre would of died. I think even vr is slighlty thanks to nitendo, the virtual boy sucked, don't get me wrong. But I think that was bases for true vr, or at least influence the creation of vr, they where trying to go so far ahead of their time, that they failed. And sometimes they still do that. A example is those joy cons. The HD rumble might become a staple of all gaming consoles if used correctly. Fun fact, Nintendo was also a card company.

Nintendo could of became lazy after the nes, but thanks to sega, they whre pushed to do better, and along the way created the biggest rival, sony. And then somewhere along the lines Microsoft joined because, Microsoft. But if it wasn't for Sega or Nintendo, the gaming industry may have died, or at least in most countries except japan.

 

[Deleted User]

Plot twist: I become part of "the silent majority of idiots who dominate the marketplace".

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Plot twist: I become part of the "the silent majority of idiots who dominate the marketplace".

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What prompted that??

 

[sarkwalvein]

What prompted that??

Let's be honest, dusting the Wii U and plugging it again just to play a match of MK8 is a PITA.
I am positive I would rebuy all the games I still want to keep playing from Wii U if they are released on the Switch. (XCX, SSB4)
And that is bad.

 

[Deleted User]

What prompted that??

The lack of Switch games, especially for those who intend to remain below 3.0.

 

[MercilessDeth]

Yeah I guess I'm one of the idiots who bought it twice. Although, having a portable version of it is definitely a selling point but I do agree that it should have been available at a lower price point. You also forgot to mention in the OP that they've reworked the mini-turbo and added the ability to hold two items (as well as added a couple of items). It's not groundbreaking or an entirely new experience but at this point I think I prefer the Switch version to the Wii U version.

Plus you have to figure in that with how abysmal Wii U sales were, there's probably a lot of Switch consumers that have never had a go at MK8. IMO it's the best Mario Kart to date, and I played a ton of Super Mario Kart and got MK64 within like a month of launch; I've been a fan of the MK series for a good long while. So if you've already got most of the groundwork done on a fantastic game that a good chunk of your install base hasn't played, I can't blame Nintendo for rereleasing it, but it would have been a lot more palatable as a $35-40 game.

 

[PotatisKnug]

1080p.

I pipe my switch through my capture card and run it (though switch settings) at 720P so...

 

[Sketchy1]

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Edition broke the series records with it's US launch sales. The game is great, I own Mario Kart 8 and all the DLC on the Wii U. But Nintendo goes charging full price for a remake of a 3 year old game. And people buy it. Lots and lots of people are buying it.

So what exactly changed in the Deluxe Edition?

60 fps rather than 59. Most of us can't tell the difference.
No fire hopping. This should have been introduced to the Wii U version in an update.
Battle mode. This should have already been in the Wii U version.
A few new characters. A cool addition, but nothing groundbreaking.

All the DLC. This is something worth having.
1080p. Once again, something worth having and the Wii U just wasn't capable of it.

Sure, if you didn't own a Wii U then this is certainly worth the money, but compared to other remakes the game is quite unfairly priced. And the silent majority of idiots who dominate the marketplace let them get away with it.

Source:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...xe_breaks_series_records_with_us_launch_sales

Nintendo likes money just as much as everyone else. as long as they see it works, they see no reason to stop. include the fact that Mario kart 8D is one of the only first party games out rn, it dosent give the average consumer much of a choice anyway. but you act like they MUST make a new MK for every console.
to be honest, how is this anymore different then:

crash n-sane trilogy
a good 75% of the Nintendo eshop on the 3ds/wiiu
the entire Nintendo wii shop channel
super Mario maker
SSB4
the entire 3DS line
that new secret of mana
fire emblem echoes
any call of duty game to ever exist
XBOX one s
wiiu
iPhone 7 and iPhone SE

 

[PotatisKnug]

Nintendo likes money just as much as everyone else. as long as they see it works, they see no reason to stop.

Also, "almost" noone bought a WII U cause of ninty's shitty promotions. What was it? 13 mil total wii u sales?
IN 4 YEARS. (Switch is already at 5mil)

This, resulting in many people not playing MK8 and instead getting it on switch.