Van hits muslims on their way out from prayer

[Lucifer666]

Did you miss the UK/EU part of that sentence?

No, it's just irrelevant. They hurt Muslims it doesn't matter where.

 

[Deleted-355425]

No, it's just irrelevant. They hurt Muslims it doesn't matter where.

Its not relevant to the point i was making? what the fuck are you even talking about.

 

[Lucifer666]

Its not relevant to the point i was making? what the fuck are you even talking about.

"ISIS doesn't hurt Muslims in the UK/EU" is a moot point because they hurt Muslims in general. They're not selective about their victims.

Anyway, as I've said before it literally doesn't matter if they do or they don't. They're still fucked up either way, and hypothetically going out of their way NOT to hurt Muslims doesn't somehow make Muslims collectively worse.

The point you were making is at best illogical.

 

[Deleted-355425]

Its not a moot point its fact, look.. you're talking shit and you just read the first part of my post and thought you would have a pop. Next time read the whole thing.

 

[Lucifer666]

Its not a moot point its fact, look.. you're talking shit and you just read the first part of my post and thought you would have a pop. Next time read the whole thing.

I did.

Guess I've got to spell it out for you.

Somebody else argued that ISIS is hiding behind the guise of Islam but is actually not religiously motivated and just out there to do harm (I personally disagree with this, they are religiously motivated in their own minds, following some fucked up interpretation of Islam they invented)

to which you responded saying that they go out of their way not to harm Muslims in UK/EU attacks, which is first off 1) a claim with no evidence apart from your own word and 2) supposed to imply that their evil is directed strictly to non-Muslims which is CLEARLY not the case as shown by their activity in other parts of the world

also 3) have you considered that in very metropolitan cities like London where the population is as mixed as can be, an attack on a random sample of 7-10 people (some of whom would be in groups together) is not incredibly statistically likely to include a Muslim, as it would in, say, the Middle East?

Lastly you still ignored the part where I said it doesn't matter if they go out of their way not to do harm to Muslims, because how they justify or evaluate their actions still says nothing of the rest of the Muslim community. They are globally recognised as sick f***s. The Middle East is no exception.

 

[Deleted-355425]

Well if you say its moot and doesn't matter talking about the UK or EU only then here's one from India: http://www.vladtv.com/article/218959/7-isis-terrorists-kill-20-people-spared-those-who-recited-quran and http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...red-others-tortured-say-hostages_1902752.html

 

[Viri]

This isn't a big surprise, when your PM's solution to stopping terrorism is to shut down the internet or to censor it. Especially after cutting down your Police force just recently.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Well if you say its moot and doesn't matter talking about the UK or EU only then here's one from India: http://www.vladtv.com/article/218959/7-isis-terrorists-kill-20-people-spared-those-who-recited-quran and http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...red-others-tortured-say-hostages_1902752.html

The ISIS media wing has claimed responsibility for the attack, which was launched on the final Friday of Ramadan, as millions of Muslims prepare to celebrate the Eid holiday.

 

[Deleted-355425]

I did.

Guess I've got to spell it out for you.

Somebody else argued that ISIS is hiding behind the guise of Islam but is actually not religiously motivated and just out there to do harm (I personally disagree with this, they are religiously motivated in their own minds, following some fucked up interpretation of Islam they invented)

to which you responded saying that they go out of their way not to harm Muslims in UK/EU attacks, which is first off 1) a claim with no evidence apart from your own word and 2) supposed to imply that their evil is directed strictly to non-Muslims which is CLEARLY not the case as shown by their activity in other parts of the world

also 3) have you considered that in very metropolitan cities like London where the population is as mixed as can be, an attack on a random sample of 7-10 people (some of whom would be in groups together) is not incredibly statistically likely to include a Muslim, as it would in, say, the Middle East?

Lastly you still ignored the part where I said it doesn't matter if they go out of their way not to do harm to Muslims, because how they justify or evaluate their actions still says nothing of the rest of the Muslim community. They are globally recognised as sick f***s. The Middle East is no exception.

I hadn't thought about the random attacks (explosions) and how they could never have possibly calculated that someone from their religion wouldn't be in the affected area so I take back what I said then.

I understand that innocent muslims are being killed in the east and its horrendous and has to stop so don't make me out to be some closed minded idiot.

 

[SG854]

Also, the fact that thinking only the white mind is capable of racist thoughts, is in and of itself racist. My best friend is skinny and blond, and lives in a neighbourhood where white people are rare. He has been harrassed so many times he could write a book, but the police doesnt take him seriously (even after a severe beating one time) as to the rootcause. However, I do fear there is an "atlantic gap" when posting on forums, as in the States racism might be more problematic. Whenever I read an article on "cultural appropriation" I usually roll my eyes, but I live in a neighbourhood where over 70% of the people has a non-northwestern European ethnic heritage, and everyone appropriates stuff from everyone here (in a good way), so how can I hope to understand? Also, Europe is etnically complex all by itself, so we experience stuff differenty. For example, in France alone there are 8 different native macrolanguages you can have as a mothertongue (French, Breton, Dutch, German, Italian, Occitan, Catalan and Basque), how can we hope to be understood?

You know what's stupid about cultural appropriation, it has nothing to do with race, this is something sjw's don't get. For example Mexico is a country, anybody who's a Mexican is someone that is a citizen of Mexico. This means you can have Asians, Blacks and White Mexicans. Just like how you have White, Black and Asian Americans.
A White person from Mexico is not culturally appropriating Mexican culture. Its because they are apart of that culture.

Same with a White guy being born and from Japan. Japanese culture, mannerisms and traditions is something that is a part of his life. If cultural appropriation was a thing, then you can have an Asian from America, especially if they know nothings about Japanese culture, culturally appropriate Japanese culture. They can appropriate a White Man from Japan and his Japanese culture. There's internet culture, ghetto culture, skateboarding culture. It has nothing to do with race. Just like those idiots that complain Mario is culturally appropriating Mexican culture with his Sombrero. Just like you said cultures mix all the time. Its how we improve, bond, learn, grow, understand each other and introduce new things in our culture. All cultures that exist today are a mixture of many different cultures.

If people shouldn't appropriate other cultures and stop getting into things that is not supposedly theirs, then Japan should stop and get rid of their Western influenced government, stop wearing western clothing, stop eating western foods like breads, and stop using western industrialization, you know the industrialization that helped their society grow and compete with the US. They wouldn't have the technologies today without it. With this logic Samsung and Sony should stop using their industrialized production lines, because they are culturally appropriating Westerners and their culture.

Basically according to media Straight White men are the enemy. Blame them for everything. Minorities and Women can do no wrong. You can't criticize things in the Islamic religion or ISIS because you'll be labeled as a racist. Racism means someone who hates other races. It doesn't mean someone who criticizes other races. Criticism especially ones that are constructive are good. It points out our mistakes and helps us improve as a person. All this stupid use of safe spaces, blame the White man for everything, Toxic Whiteness, Media avoiding certain issues because only Whites can do wrong, really prevents people from learning anything. It creates a one sided biased view which can turn into unjustified hate and resentment.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

You know what's stupid about cultural appropriation, it has nothing to do with race, this is something sjw's don't get. For example Mexico is a country, anybody who's a Mexican is someone that is a citizen of Mexico. This means you can have Asians, Blacks and White Mexicans. Just like how you have White, Black and Asian Americans.
A White person from Mexico is not culturally appropriating Mexican culture. Its because they are apart of that culture.

Same with a White guy being born and from Japan. Japanese culture, mannerisms and traditions is something that is a part of his life. If cultural appropriation was a thing, then you can have an Asian from America, especially if they know nothings about Japanese culture, culturally appropriate Japanese culture. They can appropriate a White Man from Japan and his Japanese culture. There's internet culture, ghetto culture, skateboarding culture. It has nothing to do with race. Just like those idiots that complain Mario is culturally appropriating Mexican culture with his Sombrero. Just like you said cultures mix all the time. Its how we improve, bond, learn, grow, understand each other and introduce new things in our culture. All cultures that exist today are a mixture of many different cultures.

If people shouldn't appropriate other cultures and stop getting into things that is not supposedly theirs, then Japan should stop and get rid of their Western influenced government, stop wearing western clothing, stop eating western foods like breads, and stop using western industrialization, you know the industrialization that helped their society grow and compete with the US. They wouldn't have the technologies today without it. With this logic Samsung and Sony should stop using their industrialized production lines, because they are culturally appropriating Westerners and their culture.

Basically according to media Straight White men are the enemy. Blame them for everything. Minorities and Women can do no wrong. You can't criticize things in the Islamic religion or ISIS because you'll be labeled as a racist. Racism means someone who hates other races. It doesn't mean someone who criticizes other races. Criticism especially ones that are constructive are good. It points out our mistakes and helps us improve as a person. All this stupid use of safe spaces, blame the White man for everything, Toxic Whiteness, Media avoiding certain issues because only Whites can do wrong, really prevents people from learning anything. It creates a one sided biased view which can turn into unjustified hate and resentment.

"Cultural appropriation" isn't someone being immersed in a culture, it's someone specifically using certain private/unique/spiritual aspects of a culture because it's "hip," regardless (or even in defiance) of the historical significance of said aspect

 

[SG854]

"Cultural appropriation" isn't someone being immersed in a culture, it's someone specifically using certain private/unique/spiritual aspects of a culture because it's "hip," regardless (or even in defiance) of the historical significance of said aspect

Cultural Appropriation means taking ones culture without the owners consent. So who do you ask permission to use ones culture? Everyone is different and will give you a different answer. Some people will be ok with using their culture, but some people won't. So who do I listen to? And all cultures are mixed with other cultures, so who do you ask for permission?

And if it was respecting the history of culture, well historical significance is always going to be distorted. How far back do you go? 50 years? 500 years? 2,000 years? 50,000 years? The history of things is all distorted.

There is no clear definition for Cultural Appropriation, especially on how far back you should go. Everyone is going to give you a different answer, so it ends up becoming meaningless. Even existing cultures have appropriated from previous cultures for centuries, its unavoidable.

 

[AsPika2219]

Another non-stop terrorist attacks when Eid Ul-Fitr comes on this Sunday or Monday (depend on moon siblings)....

 

[Mansize]

"Cultural appropriation" isn't someone being immersed in a culture, it's someone specifically using certain private/unique/spiritual aspects of a culture because it's "hip," regardless (or even in defiance) of the historical significance of said aspect

There is no one definition of "cultural appropriation", it is simply adopting an element from another culture, so it could possibly be absorbed into a new culture.

Like making pizza. Pizza is a very specific thing and comes from what we now call Italy. I personally think the American version is an insult to the original thing.

Like bagels. They were injected actively into the USA by polish jews.

It isnt always a bad thing.

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

Another one today:

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/877118952744333312

 

[TotalInsanity4]

There is no one definition of "cultural appropriation", it is simply adopting an element from another culture, so it could possibly be absorbed into a new culture.

Like making pizza. Pizza is a very specific thing and comes from what we now call Italy. I personally think the American version is an insult to the original thing.

Like bagels. They were injected actively into the USA by polish jews.

It isnt always a bad thing.

I'm referring specifically to things like white people wearing cornrows (there's a fascinating history behind them in slave culture) and non-Native Americans wearing feathers and having "spirit animals," because it's "cute"

 

[gamesquest1]

"Cultural appropriation" is the biggest load of tosh to ever be dreamed up, many of these "things" people suddenly decided belong to some specific subset of people are often just adaptations of things made by other cultures before them, and someone else before that, and even then you could go as far as saying they belong to a culture of the past, so by someone wearing a native Indian Style head dress even if they are a descendant they are still appropriating another generations style etc etc, people need to stop thinking up new ways to try oppress other people and bloody live and let live, else this perpetual cycle of "you stole this" "oh yeah well you stole this" will never end and nobody will ever be allowed to be happy unless they sit naked in a cave until they die.......although I'm sure someone will lay claim to that "culture" and continue the cycle

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

"Cultural appropriation" is the biggest load of tosh to ever be dreamed up, many of these "things" people suddenly decided belong to some specific subset of people are often just adaptations of things made by other cultures before them, and someone else before that, and even then you could go as far as saying they belong to a culture of the past, so by someone wearing a native Indian head dress even if they are a descendant they are still appropriating another generations style etc etc, people need to stop thinking up new ways to try oppress other people and bloody live and let live, else this perpetual cycle of "you stole this" "oh yeah well you stole this" will never end and nobody will ever be allowed to be happy unless they sit naked in a cave until they die.......although I'm sure someone will lay claim to that "culture" and continue the cycle

They're not happy so they have to make others feel like themselves.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

"Cultural appropriation" is the biggest load of tosh to ever be dreamed up, many of these "things" people suddenly decided belong to some specific subset of people are often just adaptations of things made by other cultures before them, and someone else before that, and even then you could go as far as saying they belong to a culture of the past, so by someone wearing a native Indian Style head dress even if they are a descendant they are still appropriating another generations style etc etc, people need to stop thinking up new ways to try oppress other people and bloody live and let live, else this perpetual cycle of "you stole this" "oh yeah well you stole this" will never end and nobody will ever be allowed to be happy unless they sit naked in a cave until they die.......although I'm sure someone will lay claim to that "culture" and continue the cycle

It's not an issue of "stealing" or "we did it first stahp," it's that people take something that has a traditional significance and using it without regard to that tradition. Nobody would care if you're actually using something with respect to the culture it's being taken from

 

[gamesquest1]

It's not an issue of "stealing" or "we did it first stahp," it's that people take something that has a traditional significance and using it without regard to that tradition. Nobody would care if you're actually using something with respect to the culture it's being taken from

It's using "things" to oppress other people....sure on paper it might have some Nobel logic, but in practice 9/10 it's used to intimidate and shame people for innocent actions, that really nobody cares about other than it being a stick to bat people with, most of the time it's not even a person of the culture in question throwing the wobbler