Is Sharing Illegal ?

[Joom]

Piracy is illegal.
Sharing ANY copyrighted software is illegal.

The only way you can legitimately have a backup is that you've made it yourself and have the original still in your possession.
If you no longer got the original in your possession then you must destroy the backup copy as well.

Nobody's really arguing that, but rather the morality behind the laws.

 

[the_randomizer]

I don't watch furry porn, sorry.

It's better than the alternative


Edit: *Ahem* I mean, I have no idea what that is, sorry

 

[DinohScene]

Nobody's really arguing that, but rather the morality behind the laws.

It's morally wrong to pirate.

 

[Joom]

It's morally wrong to pirate.

Read my previous posts on why it's not.

 

[DinohScene]

Read my previous posts on why it's not.

It's violating copyright.
You can't justify it.
Both morally and legally.

 

[the_randomizer]

It's violating copyright.
You can't justify it.
Both morally and legally.

True, but legality rarely stops people from doing it.

 

[DinohScene]

True, but legality rarely stops people from doing it.

Murder is morally wrong and illegal yet that doesn't stop some from committing it.

 

[the_randomizer]

Murder is morally wrong and illegal yet that doesn't stop some from committing it.

Uh.. *sigh* that was a stupid thing for me to make an example out of, time for me to bail.

 

[MasterJ360]

Yeah sure we get piracy is morally wrong, but thats why most ppl tend to be anonymous about it.
If ppl get notices like this and they know their in the wrong then we shouldn't have to see posts like this one

 

[Joom]

It's violating copyright.
You can't justify it.
Both morally and legally.

Murder is morally wrong and illegal yet that doesn't stop some from committing it.

What a strawman you got there. Comparing the copying the files to actually ending someone's life is reaching rather far. Regardless, you're pretty damn ignorant if you think it can't be morally justified. I suppose groups like Rights Corps. are morally justified for pulling extortion maneuvers. Because, y'know, extortion through intimidation is totally legal and morally justifiable. I suggest educating yourself a bit.

 

[DinohScene]

What a strawman you got there. Comparing the copying the files to actually ending someone's life is reaching rather far. Regardless, you're pretty damn ignorant if you thinking it can't be morally justified. I suppose groups like Rights Corps. are morally justified for pulling extortion maneuvers. Because, y'know, extortion through intimidation is totally legal and morally justifiable. I suggest educating yourself a bit.

Piracy lands you in jail and so does murder.
It doesn't differ much in the eyes of a judge.
But if you want to put it like that then pretty much everything is morally wrong.

 

[Joom]

Piracy lands you in jail and so does murder.
It doesn't differ much in the eyes of a judge.
But if you want to put it like that then pretty much everything is morally wrong.

Piracy actually doesn't land one in jail most of the time. Making monetary gain from it and being a major purveyor does. Downloading stuff will just get you a snarky letter consisting of "oooooh, you better stop or we're gonna waste more time sending you letters". See the OP for an example on how third parties use scare tactics in order to intimidate consumers into not pirating material when in truth they can't do anything about it because they're not a legal entity.

 

[DinohScene]

Piracy actually doesn't land one in jail most of the time. Making monetary gain from it and being a major purveyor does. Downloading stuff will just get you a snarky letter consisting of "oooooh, you better stop or we're gonna waste more time sending you letters". See the OP for an example on how third parties use scare tactics in order to intimidate consumers into not pirating material when in truth they can't do anything about it because they're not a legal entity.

Have you ever heard of Kongsknutz or Kongsnutz?
Temp member who got a fat fine?

It isn't that rare to see people get jail sentences for pirating.
Music industry has done it before.

 

[Joom]

Have you ever heard of Kongsknutz or Kongsnutz?
Temp member who got a fat fine?

It isn't that rare to see people get jail sentences for pirating.
Music industry has done it before.

Yeah, he got that for being a purveyor. I already covered that.

 

[hobbledehoy899]

The uploader causes more damage than the downloader.

the uploader allows the downloader to succ

 

[MasterJ360]

I really haven't heard anything big from online piracy since the Megaupload incident, but thats probably b/c SOPA was in affect in that time period
Jail time is usually more prone to the hoster than the downloaders

 

[Patxinco]

Didn't Jesus, iirc, doubled and shared fish? And he inspired a religion...

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

In France, downloading became illegal in 2010, that was the Hadopi law. A huge failure. Even if you do it on purpose, it's almost impossible to get caught and risk anything. The law even almost disappeared during a Parliament session on Sunday when only 16 MPs were present out of 577.

 

[Hi-Dro]

No, of course sharing in its purest sense isn't illegal. Sharing pirated copyrighted content is illegal. Court or not, doesn't matter in the fact.
You don't go to court, nor is a criminal investigation taking place when you drive above the speed limit. You still get fined, and it's still illegal.

ah very good point.

so maybe an investigation should take place, don't you think? to see if anything illegal has in-fact happened. Now being a civil matter in the first instance, the private company would have to fund the investigation themselves.

Upon paying a speeding ticket or even only receiving a notice, you are actually admitting there and then, that you are breaking a contract of the civil laws that govern the land right?
So you are basically agreeing to 'settle out of court' and on the spot or within a few weeks. (normally for a lesser charge)
So from a civil stand point, you only enter the contract once you accept that you have broken it.
If 4 people are sharing/registered to a single car, How would they prove who was driving on the day of the "incident". I'm guessing they couldn't easily prove it unless they had some pretty clear pictures, or unless someone would agree to 'settle out of court' by paying the fine. Naturally a domestic discussion would take place in the household and the 'Guilty' party be pressured by friends and family to pay the fine.

My point is most of the time these people, are relying on us to tell them truth about what happened or in this case just settle out of court quickly and quietly, (for them at least) but it often leaves a distressing trail for the household affected, and its threatening to get these letters etc.

 

[Issac]

ah very good point.

so maybe an investigation should take place, don't you think? to see if anything illegal has in-fact happened. Now being a civil matter in the first instance, the private company would have to fund the investigation themselves.

Upon paying a speeding ticket or even only receiving a notice, you are actually admitting there and then, that you are breaking a contract of the civil laws that govern the land right?
So you are basically agreeing to 'settle out of court' and on the spot or within a few weeks. (normally for a lesser charge)
So from a civil stand point, you only enter the contract once you accept that you have broken it.
If 4 people are sharing/registered to a single car, How would they prove who was driving on the day of the "incident". I'm guessing they couldn't easily prove it unless they had some pretty clear pictures, or unless someone would agree to 'settle out of court' by paying the fine. Naturally a domestic discussion would take place in the household and the 'Guilty' party be pressured by friends and family to pay the fine.

My point is most of the time these people, are relying on us to tell them truth about what happened or in this case just settle out of court quickly and quietly, (for them at least) but it often leaves a distressing trail for the household affected, and its threatening to get these letters etc.

Well, there should be evidence when these letters are sent. The ISP logs the traffic and have some sort of evidence... there are cases though when shady companies leeches off of these letters sending fakes.

But otherwise it sure is a "settle this out of court quickly" deal with these issues. Then again, you also have to remember which country this takes place in, some are more strict than others, and some have rules for or against certain things regarding piracy.
Here in Sweden, they decided that the ISPs HAVE to block piracy sites for their users. It's horrifying!