What do you think is really going on? Let's get a little political here.

I assume you've all heard of the recent Vermont power grid "hacking" story. A few days ago a Vermont utility company found a russian virus on some guy's computer and (part of) the press extrapolated the fact, turning it into a so-called proof of a Russian conspiracy to hack the US power grid... That title was a fucking clickbait, and I just knew it. But not just your average buzzshit clickbait, a serious fucking one this time. When you read the article it became clear: pure bullshit. No evidence whatsoever, all that happened is that they found a regular virus on a random guy's computer, which happens a million times a day everywhere in the world. A few hours later they retracted, a lot of other sites and agencies stated that there was no such thing as a power grid hack attempt. Those media outlets jumped to conclusions to serve their own agenda, it seems.

Now regarding the "hacking" of the US election. Several US government agencies are claiming it's real. Are we being lied to? Are the FBI and homeland security and others all following orders of a higher instance or do they have actual evidence?
So far, they haven't shared much with the general public. Last week they released a document, which I read, but if you read it too you will find that it's absolutely empty of evidence. All it states is "we found some IP addresses in the logs" and "we found a bit of code that was used before". That amounts to nothing at all.

So why do they keep going on about this?
Do you think these agencies have insights they cant share with the public? could they have informants within the russian goverment? that's one of the few things I can think of that they would never be able to reveal. Or maybe it is just more political bullshit... but what's the point? Trump will take office soon and all this Russia crap isn't working. Apparently Trump has something to say on the subject that he will reveal on tuesday or wednesday. I wonder what that may be.

 

[grossaffe]

california, new york, and washington contain 50%+ of the population of tje US? and they all vote the same way? weird.

we all have to register for armed services, why not just register them to vote when teens do that? and treat it like jury duty? with days off and all that? though identificaton would limit the number of people that could vote, unless you make people get one while registering for armed services as well.

Only men have to register for the draft. Are you trying to suppress women's suffrage?

 

[osaka35]

Only men have to register for the draft. Are you trying to suppress women's suffrage?

oh, i thought they passed that thing that made women have to register same as men. or was that just talking about them being abke to join or something? it's silly they aren't registered.

 

[RevPokemon]

For example, a huge percent of the country's Republicans live in California, so it would take a lot more of the country to win than just those states.

Further this is shown within the Blue Wall theory.

I can't think of a single good argument for allowing someone who got fewer votes nationwide to become that nation's president. It's absurd, and whatever way you look at the Electoral College, it's a form of gerrymandering.

(Playing a bit of Devil's Advocate) Because the system really is not a presidential election so much as a weighted collection of 51 different independent elections somewhat like the World Series is.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

 

[Viri]

Russia hacked Hillary's brain to make her not listen to her husband and to not campaign in Wisconsin, and for some reason to campaign in Texas instead.

 

[RevPokemon]

https://twitter.com/ckilpatrick/status/817515823950680064

 

[YetoJesse]

I think everyone should just laugh it off as if a 9 year old is trying to get clever. just see it as a joke and ignore it... it's starting to look like a game.

 

[SomeKindOfUsername]

This doesn't quite work when you learn that it's not just the Democrats who are accusing Russia of meaningfully interfering with the election.

We're all so well politically trained that if the opposite party says a pile of dog poo smells and tastes like dog poo we say "no, it's like it's ice cream!" and grab a spoonful. We're currently following that dog, spoon ready, just so we can contradict the other.

 

[RevPokemon]

This doesn't quite work when you learn that it's not just the Democrats who are accusing Russia of meaningfully interfering with the election.

S/O to Sen. McCain and Sen. Graham

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

We're all so well politically trained that if the opposite party says a pile of dog poo smells and tastes like dog poo we say "no, it's like it's ice cream!" and grab a spoonful.

Not all of us. There are quite a few that refused to blindly follow along behind the pied pipers that mass media shoved down our throats.

In my opinion they're both awful.

 

[the_randomizer]

Nothing quite like politics to cause divides among friends, eh? Because I see that too much and it's the reason I rarely or willingly discuss them, no matter how civil I try to be.

 

[netovsk]

Unless the leaks were fake, I don't think it matters because the leaks informed voters rather than deceive. The ultimate decision came down to american citizens.

 

[HaloEliteLegend]

Unless the leaks were fake, I don't think it matters because the leaks informed voters rather than deceive. The ultimate decision came down to american citizens.

Yup, yup. Regardless of who hacked what if anything (who even knows at this point), the actual voting machines or voting systems were untouched. We learned a bit more about internal corruption in the DNC. I'm sure the RNC has similar corruption, but once that kind of info is out, you can't just dismiss it on grounds that "you were hacked." If we find the alleged hackers, great, but the info's out, no denying.

 

[chrisrlink]

Scary, isn't it? Reminds one of North Korea. You can't even insist on a trial, as far as I know.
Fun fact: It's possible to go to jail in Germany for not paying the obligatory propaganda TV fee of 17,50 EUR per month. It's illegal but neither courts nor politicians do anything against it as it's a huge money generator (8 billion per year) and it gives politicians a platform.

BTW I'm interested to know how you became a Muslim. I can't figure out how to send a PM though.

a friend (well now my fiancee) whom i known for 11 years is muslim (also a convert) in order to marry a muslim woman you need to be muslim (has to do with preventing women from abandoning the religion as for the "need to alert the government" you do not that's where trumps muslim registry will fail Terrorist will lie and still carry out attacks (I hate how ppl are using islam as a false flag so to speak for terrorism where it actually promotes peace I mean hell christans have blood on their hands as well (the crusades is a BIG example but this is off track

 

[Viri]

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/820044120991420416

Oh man, it looks like Trump has been officially blown the fuck out!

Spoiler

Also, dem comments

 

[RevPokemon]

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/820044120991420416

Oh man, it looks like Trump has been officially blown the fuck out!

Spoiler

Also, dem comments

From Slate: "I know that Islam is also not necessarily tolerant towards homosexuality. … I also didn't understand much about Islam other than that it's a religion that hundreds of millions of people in the world follow."

And so he resolved to learn more. He turned first to Wikipedia, then forums and Tumblr pages.

No comment...

 

[Touko White]

I think it's bullshit from the media to try to ignite loads of stupid drama.

 

[Taleweaver]

Okay...I believe a bump is in place at this time. Reason: Donald Trump fires head of the FBI James Comey. As such, Comey's one of the leading authorities on the investigation of this whole "what influence did Russia had on the election?" thing.

As news reporters over here pointed out, it was just last week that Comey asked for increased forces on this case. And this has been passed to the president.


Even more ironic (if not to say absurd) is the reason: he's fired because of his public statement on the investigation on Clinton's mail server. At that time, this was incredibly good news for Donald (this was just after that "grab 'em by the pussy" reveal, so it's far from unlikely that Comey helped Trump to the presidency) and he even publicly praised the man for it.

I'm not much of a conspiracy believer, but that reason for firing Comey is just utter bullshit. And that timing is just too convenient (Christ...it's not like Trump didn't know these facts).

End result: I want to change my vote from "if the FBI and CIA and other agencies say it, we should take their word for it" to "Yes, without the shadow of a doubt". Face it, America: you've got a second Watergate scandal on your hands. Sorry for the fans, but your president's a crook and belongs in jail.

 

[Sketchy1]

Okay...I believe a bump is in place at this time. Reason: Donald Trump fires head of the FBI James Comey. As such, he's one of the leading authorities on the investigation of this whole "what influence did Russia had on the election?" thing.

As news reporters over here pointed out, it was just last week that Comey asked for increased forces on this case. And this has been passed to the president.


Even more ironic (if not to say absurd) is the reason: he's fired because of his public statement on the investigation on Clinton's mail server. At that time, this was incredibly good news for Donald (this was just after that "grab 'em by the pussy" reveal, so it's far from unlikely that Comey helped Trump to the presidency) and he even publicly praised the man for it.

I'm not much of a conspiracy believer, but that reason for firing Comey is just utter bullshit. And that timing is just too convenient (Christ...it's not like Trump didn't know these facts).

End result: I want to change my vote from "if the FBI and CIA and other agencies say it, we should take their word for it" to "Yes, without the shadow of a doubt". Face it, America: you've got a second Watergate scandal on your hands. Sorry for the fans, but your president's a crook and belongs in jail.

The timing is questionable, but to be fair he closed a clearly not completed case on hillary (despite an almost unanimous opinion to not to) to open one on trump. that would get anyone mad.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

The whole Russia interference is so mysterious. What exactly are people accusing the Russian government of? What does meddling in the US election mean? Putin did not even tell the Americans to vote for Trump. But Obama constantly told other nations who to vote for. Is that interference?