What do you think is really going on? Let's get a little political here.

I assume you've all heard of the recent Vermont power grid "hacking" story. A few days ago a Vermont utility company found a russian virus on some guy's computer and (part of) the press extrapolated the fact, turning it into a so-called proof of a Russian conspiracy to hack the US power grid... That title was a fucking clickbait, and I just knew it. But not just your average buzzshit clickbait, a serious fucking one this time. When you read the article it became clear: pure bullshit. No evidence whatsoever, all that happened is that they found a regular virus on a random guy's computer, which happens a million times a day everywhere in the world. A few hours later they retracted, a lot of other sites and agencies stated that there was no such thing as a power grid hack attempt. Those media outlets jumped to conclusions to serve their own agenda, it seems.

Now regarding the "hacking" of the US election. Several US government agencies are claiming it's real. Are we being lied to? Are the FBI and homeland security and others all following orders of a higher instance or do they have actual evidence?
So far, they haven't shared much with the general public. Last week they released a document, which I read, but if you read it too you will find that it's absolutely empty of evidence. All it states is "we found some IP addresses in the logs" and "we found a bit of code that was used before". That amounts to nothing at all.

So why do they keep going on about this?
Do you think these agencies have insights they cant share with the public? could they have informants within the russian goverment? that's one of the few things I can think of that they would never be able to reveal. Or maybe it is just more political bullshit... but what's the point? Trump will take office soon and all this Russia crap isn't working. Apparently Trump has something to say on the subject that he will reveal on tuesday or wednesday. I wonder what that may be.

 

[RevPokemon]

On a side note, if the US wouldn't have a stupid winner-takes-all voting system, there would have been less controversy. I mean, half of the americans voted for Trump, the other half for Hillary. By giving Trump everything and Hillary nothing, basically the system dumped a huge load of crap to half of it's citizen.

Agreed as the fact that the majority went both "not Trump" and "not Clinton" is personally something of concern.

 

[The Minish LAN]

hotline miami but 2017

 

[Lacius]

On a side note, if the US wouldn't have a stupid winner-takes-all voting system, there would have been less controversy. I mean, half of the americans voted for Trump, the other half for Hillary. By giving Trump everything and Hillary nothing, basically the system dumped a huge load of crap to half of it's citizen.

Agreed as the fact that the majority went both "not Trump" and "not Clinton" is personally something of concern.

Not to mention we have a system where the winner doesn't even need to win a plurality of votes, let alone a majority.

I'd like to see a preferencial voting system, but that's not going to happen. I'd also like to see an end to the Electrical College, but that's not going to happen either.

 

[RevPokemon]

I'd also like to see an end to the Electrical College, but that's not going to happen either.

Well theoretically if the whole popular vote pact project ever amounts to something than that would effectively have the potential to end the electoral college although the issue of course is that it still is pretty far off and that one would have to consider the constitutionality of it.

 

[Glyptofane]

"Russia hacking the DNC" is the 2016 version of "Saddam has nuclear weapons!"

 

[LinkBlaBla]

Sounds to me like once you've been president and your wife is Secretary of State, lots of people will pay you lots of money in "donations" to get shit done by the right people, but you can call it sweet things if you'd like.
Kim Jong Un couldn't hack his way out of a wet paper sack, let's not pretend that North Korea has any clout in the civilised world, even their warheads are mostly fake.

So now they Test fake warhead and make fake explosion over seas?? America is the problem they are everywhere around Russia and China and other country that why if you read my sig you clearly see that if you eliminate the problem you fix almost 90% of the problem

 

[Viri]

I kinda cannot help but laugh about the irony of the CIA investigating Russia "hacking" our election. Then again, if there is one thing the CIA knows about, and that's "hacking" an election. I'm pretty sure most of South America, Central America, Ukraine, Iraq, Iran, and such can attest to that.

Just for the record, I shilled for Trump for free! The salt mining the left has given me at the end has paid me back and then some. I truly wish the election didn't end, it was just too entertaining.

Also, let's forget this ever happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correct_the_Record
God, they were so fucking annoying.

Sounds to me like once you've been president and your wife is Secretary of State, lots of people will pay you lots of money in "donations" to get shit done by the right people, but you can call it sweet things if you'd like.

HEY! Are you trying to imply that the good charitable people of the Saudi Arabian government were donating to the A+ graded Clinton Foundation for favors?!? The Saudis just happen to be very charitable, you might be wondering, "Why won't such a rich country just make their own charity?". WELL Hillary Clinton's foundation happens to be A+++, the good people of Haiti can attest to that!

 

[RevPokemon]

Also, let's forget this ever happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correct_the_Record
God, they were so fucking annoying.

Can agree that CTR members were a huge pain in the ass and honestly worse than Trump's online supporters in a way. Fought em when it came to Johnson's Wikipedia page but thankfully we beat em.

 

[Foxi4]

So now they Test fake warhead and make fake explosion over seas?? America is the problem they are everywhere around Russia and China and other country that why if you read my sig you clearly see that if you eliminate the problem you fix almost 90% of the problem

I said most, not all. North Korea is a closed off country with little import and export going on, their functioning warheads are mostly Soviet hand-me-downs. The ones they're parading around are mock-ups made of wood and leather, or so say the footage analysts - it was on the news a couple years back. For God's sake, we're talking about a country that has a fake city close to the border so that South Koreans think they're wealthy, are you kidding me? Their nuclear arsenal is decades out of date, it's a miracle that some of them do lift off. They keep trying to launch those things and they keep falling from the sky, do you expect me to treat their futile attempts at arming themselves seriously?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-paraded-North-Korea-fake-say-scientists.html

 

[LinkBlaBla]

I said most, not all. North Korea is a closed off country with little import and export going on, their functioning warheads are mostly Soviet hand-me-downs. The ones they're parading around are mock-ups made of wood and leather, or so say the footage analysts - it was on the news a couple years back. For God's sake, we're talking about a country that has a fake city close to the border so that South Koreans think they're wealthy, are you kidding me? Their nuclear arsenal is decades out of date, it's a miracle that some of them do lift off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-paraded-North-Korea-fake-say-scientists.html

Why would they continue doing test then? , check again internet is not very reliable , because a spy on north korea would not last very long , we don't know if they are at latest technologies or use some oldies like you say , i think they are preparing because of Russia Army building up they will follow Russia and send army and warhead into USA even if it is some piece of junk or not fully functional those news are fake probably , what i have learned from the past 2 week is that America news and all sites with war news are 95% fake those peoples made up these story I don't know why but it seems that today human believe more in fake news and stick with that than going into full research mode and check if it is actually realistic and true! For the fact about the Fake city it is made so plane and peoples don't see that it is only a military nation!

 

[Foxi4]

Why would they continue doing test then? , check again internet is not very reliable , because a spy on north korea would not last very long , we don't know if they are at latest technologies or use some oldies like you say , i think they are preparing because of Russia Army building up they will follow Russia and send army and warhead into USA even if it is some piece of junk or not fully functional those news are fake probably , what i have learned from the past 2 week is that America news and all sites with war news are 95% fake those peoples made up these story I don't know why but it seems that today human believe more in fake news and stick with that than going into full research mode and check if it is actually realistic and true! For the fact about the Fake city it is made so plane and peoples don't see that it is only a military nation!

...you have heard of spy satellites, right? You can catch a photo of anything there from orbit, they'd have to live underground to hide, and they're not moles. They're doing the tests in a futile attempt to remain threatening, nobody gives a shit about them anymore. If the U.S. really wanted to, it could glass the shithole, but as you've probably noticed, they haven't done that.

 

[LinkBlaBla]

...you have heard of spy satellites, right? You can catch a photo of anything there from orbit, they'd have to live underground to hide, and they're not moles. They're doing the tests in a futile attempt to remain threatening, nobody gives a shit about them anymore. If the U.S. really wanted to, it could glass the shithole, but as you've probably noticed, they haven't done that.

Simply because it is allied with Russia ,China and India and other nation that i don't know they will simply wait for USA or Russia to do something before acting!

 

[SomeKindOfUsername]

Are you trying to imply that the good charitable people of the Saudi Arabian government were donating to the A+ graded Clinton Foundation for favors?!?

About as likely as Trump being indebted to them for the millions they've given him for the various hotels and businesses his family has there.

Just for the record, I shilled for Trump for free! The salt mining the left has given me at the end has paid me back and then some. I truly wish the election didn't end, it was just too entertaining.

Sentiments like this are what disappoint me the most.
Politics aren't a game or some sports team rivalry. If you voted just to spite the other side (AKA Americans) and not because you felt it was in the best interest for the country as a whole and are actively cheering because people are genuinely concerned about their future then you are pretty messed up in the head.

Then again I'm one to talk. I'll probably be feeling the schadenfreude when those who voted for Trump end up being unable to pay for their medical bills.

 

[Xzi]

Honestly i really meet in the middle with this, like why would Russians associate with Donald Trump, why would they hack the election and why would they do this to the election when their just another country?And how would Donald Trump convince or make them hack the election?How would Russia make it possible for them to hack the Election. But Donald Trump Thinks the election is rigged which make me meet at the middle with this conspiracy of Russia hacking the Election

Trump's modeling agency used a whole lot of Russian women, especially in the early days. No doubt they worked for less than US models were asking. Since then I'm sure Trump has established plenty of financial ties to people and businesses in Russia.

The why is pretty simple: Obama hasn't put up with Russia's shit, and Hillary didn't seem like she would've either. Trump, OTOH, was suspiciously friendly to Russia's interests, even where they would be actively detrimental to the US, throughout his entire campaign. Now that Trump has been elected and has appointed Putin's friend the Exxon Mobil CEO as Secretary of State, the conflicts of interest are in plain sight.

 

[Foxi4]

Simply because it is allied with Russia ,China and India and other nation that i don't know they will simply wait for USA or Russia to do something before acting!

North Korea is a nation of isolationism and starvation, they're not in a position to assemble an arsenal competitive with a superpower like the U.S.A, just like Cuba isn't. You are correct though, it hasn't been toppled yet due to its proximity and/or association with China and possibly Russia. Not that we need to topple it - North Korea has nothing worth fighting for.

 

[LinkBlaBla]

North Korea is a nation of isolationism and starvation, they're not in a position to assemble an arsenal competitive with a superpower like the U.S.A, just like Cuba isn't. You are correct though, it hasn't been toppled yet due to its proximity and/or association with China and possibly Russia. Not that we need to topple it - North Korea has nothing worth fighting for.

True that why USA use north korea as a presidential getaway!

 

[filfat]

Not to mention we have a system where the winner doesn't even need to win a plurality of votes, let alone a majority.

I'd like to see a preferencial voting system, but that's not going to happen. I'd also like to see an end to the Electrical College, but that's not going to happen either.

Yep, it's 100% fair that California, New York and Washington would be able to decide the president elect without needing any input from any other state. Electoral college is there to make sure the voting is fair for all states.

You do realize even EU uses a system similar to electoral college right? Otherwise Germany and France would've basically control all of EU.

A way to actually fix the system would be to require identification to vote. It's absolutely ridiculous that this isn't required yet.

 

[Viri]

A way to actually fix the system would be to require identification to vote. It's absolutely ridiculous that this isn't required yet.

Democrats seem to think it suppresses voting. You need an ID to buy cigs/beer, to get a library card, to drive a car, to get electricity/gas/water turned on, to rent/buy a house, but not to vote? I think every other country but ours requires IDs to vote(correct me if I'm wrong). Voting IDs should be free to every US citizen 18 and over.

 

[Lacius]

Yep, it's 100% fair that California, New York and Washington would be able to decide the president elect without needing any input from any other state. Electoral college is there to make sure the voting is fair for all states.

You do realize even EU uses a system similar to electoral college right? Otherwise Germany and France would've basically control all of EU.

A way to actually fix the system would be to require identification to vote. It's absolutely ridiculous that this isn't required yet.

Your assertion that those three states would decide the election is just untrue. For example, a huge percent of the country's Republicans live in California, so it would take a lot more of the country to win than just those states. I can't think of a single good argument for allowing someone who got fewer votes nationwide to become that nation's president. It's absurd, and whatever way you look at the Electoral College, it's a form of gerrymandering.

There also isn't an in-person voter fraud problem, so there's no reason to talk about ID.

 

[osaka35]

Yep, it's 100% fair that California, New York and Washington would be able to decide the president elect without needing any input from any other state. Electoral college is there to make sure the voting is fair for all states.

You do realize even EU uses a system similar to electoral college right? Otherwise Germany and France would've basically control all of EU.

A way to actually fix the system would be to require identification to vote. It's absolutely ridiculous that this isn't required yet.

california, new york, and washington contain 50%+ of the population of tje US? and they all vote the same way? weird.

we all have to register for armed services, why not just register them to vote when teens do that? and treat it like jury duty? with days off and all that? though identificaton would limit the number of people that could vote, unless you make people get one while registering for armed services as well.