Gaming Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward Discussion Thread

[gifi4]

I have just noticed something interesting, but I haven't got up to that point in the full game so I can't confirm it yet. I think Nintendo may have fixed some of the freezing bugs in the latest update they released, because today I tried to replicate the freeze in the room with the poster you scratch with a coin and the game didn't crash. I've tried it like 3 times and nothing strange has happened. As soon I advance further in the game (I've just started, I got it for Christmas) I'll tell you, but at least in the demo it's been fixed.

The freezes happen at random with no specific way to trigger them. From what I could gather, there wasn't a way to replicate them.

 

[Terenigma]

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First, let me just say the ending was the biggest mindfuck of any game I ever played (in a good way). I'm surprised how many questions I had in the beginning and how much I assumed, and how wrong I was. I loved the story, and honestly, best game on my 3DS atm...

But the ending was really confusing, they kept talking about the past, present, unable to go all the way back, etc... I'm probably going to have to replay it to understand what happened :-P

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Which paticular reveal at the end did you concider the mindfuck? There were a few and I kinda expected some of them, but for me, the "old" reveal was outstanding and blew me away. I didnt think the game would hav a twist that would leave me speechless, i was completely oblivious to it and yet, the clues are there when you play the game again (Phi/dio calling you grandpa, teasing you about the eye, joking that you must of done alot of drugs to look like that)

As for the whole "jumping" to different times, i was confused too but from my (highly confusing) understanding of it:

You're on a cycle of 2 "minds" and the "old mind" has already jumped back once and failed to stop the release of the virus and sacrificed his arms and eye to protect a girl (presumably phi) then "old mind" froze phi and set up the game. Because of "old mind" going back in time, "young mind" went forward and played the game that "old mind" set up in "old mind's" body to help amplify phi and your own power so that phi and "young mind" could then go back in time again and have a 2nd attempt to stop the release of the virus.

....phew, thats my understanding of the main ending. I have NO idea what the secret ending means tho...

 

[Shiro09]

Amazing game.

My question to all who have finished it:

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Who's conciousness was inhabiting Kyle's body? It obviously wasn't answered so it's open to speculation 'til virtues last reward 2 comes out.

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If you went through the door with Alice, then Akane is K, or K's consciousness. In the other two, K's consciousness is Kyle. He was made by Sigma and then lost his memory because large amounts of soporil. So basically, his consciousness isn't taken over by anyone other than himself, he isn't like Sigma.

 

[gifi4]

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If you went through the door with Alice, then Akane is K, or K's consciousness. In the other two, K's consciousness is Kyle. He was made by Sigma and then lost his memory because large amounts of soporil. So basically, his consciousness isn't taken over by anyone other than himself, he isn't like Sigma.

I think you missed

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the final ending, you have to complete all escape rooms on hard (Just open the safe in hard mode and leave the room) then a new ending will appear at the bottom right. It'll be the furthest right pathway. Trust me, because your explanation is for the other endings, which isn't what I was talking about.

 

[Shiro09]

I think you missed

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the final ending, you have to complete all escape rooms on hard (Just open the safe in hard mode and leave the room) then a new ending will appear at the bottom right. It'll be the furthest right pathway. Trust me, because your explanation is for the other endings, which isn't what I was talking about.

I know, I already finished the Phi ending. What about my clarification doesn't make sense? I just want to know.

 

[gifi4]

I know, I already finished the Phi ending. What about my clarification doesn't make sense? I just want to know.

Anyway,

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What you said: "If you went through the door with Alice, then Akane is K, or K's consciousness. In the other two, K's consciousness is Kyle. He was made by Sigma and then lost his memory because large amounts of soporil. So basically, his consciousness isn't taken over by anyone other than himself, he isn't like Sigma."
Here's the thing. At the end of the uhh...ending, Akane says to K "Do you really think you're Kyle?" it can't have been Sigma because Akane had mentioned that this person would have to help Sigma and Phi. Seeing as you can't have 2 bodies of one person in a timeline, Zero can't be the person as Zero is just older Sigma. Therefore, we can conclude that the conciousness inhabiting K's body is unknown.

 

[Shiro09]

Anyway,

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What you said: "If you went through the door with Alice, then Akane is K, or K's consciousness. In the other two, K's consciousness is Kyle. He was made by Sigma and then lost his memory because large amounts of soporil. So basically, his consciousness isn't taken over by anyone other than himself, he isn't like Sigma."
Here's the thing. At the end of the uhh...ending, Akane says to K "Do you really think you're Kyle?" it can't have been Sigma because Akane had mentioned that this person would have to help Sigma and Phi. Seeing as you can't have 2 bodies of one person in a timeline, Zero can't be the person as Zero is just older Sigma. Therefore, we can conclude that the conciousness inhabiting K's body is unknown.

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Ohhh, I see I didn't see that before, I might replay it. I have a feeling I missed out alot.

 

[Janthran]

Guys I just got this game I'm gonna start playing it soon

 

[gifi4]

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Ohhh, I see I didn't see that before, I might replay it. I have a feeling I missed out alot.

Do you understand how to get the ending?

 

[Shiro09]

Do you understand how to get the ending?

Of course. I have every ending and have played through the whole game.

 

[Janthran]

I got this game and have two endings so far.
1

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Clover threatens to murder us all after we find Alice dead. Does the intend to kill K with a scalpel? Good luck.

2

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K got 9 points because I allied with him and he betrayed me. He runs away promising to call the cops. I liked K.

I guess don't read those unless you've beaten the whole game, I guess.

 

[Janthran]

Ok, I've got about fifteen hours clocked up now and I've gotten Tenumwhatever and Clover's endings.

All I have to say is this,

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What is Chunsoft's perchant for giving Clover some rather bloody endings?

I'm getting there. I will find out what the fuck is actually happening.

In VLR, the reason for that is because otherwise Clover's ending is really dull for people who played 999

 

[Daemauroa]

totally different topic of VLR, but I thought I would post it here:

the voice-acting. I do only have the Japanese voice-acting available as I live in Europe, but which do you think is better? ( though what I've heard from gameplay video's the voice acting of the japanese version sounds more ''natural'' for characters like tenmyouji (hop-fully I will get full marks for this one, but I've probably spelled it wrong...) and Alice.
off-topic, my favorite line thus far is the moment that zero III says : '' everybody, please redirect your attention to the results screen'''. the english version however doesn't have the same feeling in it... so I recommend if you play the US version that you check out this awesome line said by Zero III japanese...)

oh and back to the clover-topic...

a bloody ending? well, sounds strange but I am actually looking forward to it then. because so far the bad endings I had ( for not spoiling Luna bad1, Dio bad, Phi bad) they weren't that exciting, though the Luna one made me think about how could it happen that way....
oh, and so far I got 1 to be continued (luna) dio, and the first phi bad ending ( I am not passed the lock)

another thing, there is only one tiny thing that annoys me, and that is that you can now skip text you haven't read yet. so if you get a scene that was also in another route, you have to be careful if you want to skip it...

 

[Terenigma]

another thing, there is only one tiny thing that annoys me, and that is that you can now skip text you haven't read yet. so if you get a scene that was also in another route, you have to be careful if you want to skip it...

^ This is not true at ALL, it only skips stuff you have seen before, the text will automatically stop skipping and play at normal pace if one of the characters says something that you havent seen before, even if its only for one single line. I can assure you that on the european version, the game will not skip anything you havent seen before.

The reason it seems to skip some stuff in different routes is because it plays out the exsact same way, like for instance when everyone gathers in each room to discuss the game after the first puzzle rooms. You still have the same characters in those rooms for that discussion thus you dont need to hear it again. however, different characters will enter the room afterwards and it will not allow you to skip the "new" info.

 

[Daemauroa]

^ This is not true at ALL, it only skips stuff you have seen before, the text will automatically stop skipping and play at normal pace if one of the characters says something that you havent seen before, even if its only for one single line. I can assure you that on the european version, the game will not skip anything you havent seen before.

The reason it seems to skip some stuff in different routes is because it plays out the exsact same way, like for instance when everyone gathers in each room to discuss the game after the first puzzle rooms. You still have the same characters in those rooms for that discussion thus you dont need to hear it again. however, different characters will enter the room afterwards and it will not allow you to skip the "new" info.

well thanks, I thought the game skips stuff because of that you go through a door to talk to someone else, not like it was entirely new. but thanks, then it was only my imagination.

 

[ShadowNeko003]

I really want to get this game, but the glitch is stopping me from buying it. Is it as good as the previous game?

 

[Terenigma]

I really want to get this game, but the glitch is stopping me from buying it. Is it as good as the previous game?

The glitch is said to only happen in escape rooms (puzzle rooms) and can be avoided by simply not saving during them, they dont last that long either once you work out how to do the puzzle so its really not that needed to save during them and its pretty evident when you are about to go into one, thus you can prepare a save just before.

Is the game as good as 999? In my opinion, it is much much better.

The story is MUCH better, much more interesting and the twists in this game are fantastic, the characters are all solid and the writing (as expected) is exceptional. One thing the game has improved upon majorly from the last game is the puzzles, the puzzles are often very clever and really take some thinking to solve unlike the ones in 999, which could be solved with very little effort.

The only minor complaint anyone can have imo is that its not as "gory" as 999 was, but you cant complain about that if thats not what direction the game wanted to take. It more than makes up for it in other areas tho and the ally/betray parts of the game adds a great sense of involvement into the game, the choices you make determines how the rest of the game will play out.

Long story short, its awesome, get it.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

The glitch is said to only happen in escape rooms (puzzle rooms) and can be avoided by simply not saving during them, they dont last that long either once you work out how to do the puzzle so its really not that needed to save during them and its pretty evident when you are about to go into one, thus you can prepare a save just before.

Is the game as good as 999? In my opinion, it is much much better.

The story is MUCH better, much more interesting and the twists in this game are fantastic, the characters are all solid and the writing (as expected) is exceptional. One thing the game has improved upon majorly from the last game is the puzzles, the puzzles are often very clever and really take some thinking to solve unlike the ones in 999, which could be solved with very little effort.

The only minor complaint anyone can have imo is that its not as "gory" as 999 was, but you cant complain about that if thats not what direction the game wanted to take. It more than makes up for it in other areas tho and the ally/betray parts of the game adds a great sense of involvement into the game, the choices you make determines how the rest of the game will play out.

Long story short, its awesome, get it.

Except the game is based on killing people and everyone dying and everything. And with the way 999 was and how creepy and sadistic it was, the sequel should be like that considering it's the same premise, but it isn't. Even the death scenes aren't that good as it seems like they were heavily censored. I didn't have that feeling 999 gave me where I stayed up each night because I was too freaked out.

 

[ShadowNeko003]

So basically, don't save during puzzles. Ok that's not bad. Let's hope I remember that!

Ok, I'll get this game when I find it for a good price. So tempted to watch videos on youtube though....XD

 

[Terenigma]

Except the game is based on killing people and everyone dying and everything. And with the way 999 was and how creepy and sadistic it was, the sequel should be like that considering it's the same premise, but it isn't. Even the death scenes aren't that good as it seems like they were heavily censored. I didn't have that feeling 999 gave me where I stayed up each night because I was too freaked out.

Aside from (999 spoilers)

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Snake's "aparent" death and clovers ending

i didnt think there was that much that was freaky and the story is no way near as good as VLR. VLR isnt the same premise, it has a different story to tell and it tells it well, you sound like you wanted it to be exsactly the same as 999. I get that different people want different things from games but VLR never claims to the "creepy and sadistic" game that 999 was. It is focused on the story and it didnt need any gory or messed up deaths to stay interesting, it has plenty of weird twists that make you question wtf is going on and has a story that is well told from start to finish.

Even if you prefer 999 to VLR tho, they are both great games that everyone should play.